Finally got bitten by paypal

Magic_x_uk · 17 Dec 2008 at 23:04

I sell and buy on Ebay but god help me, I will not ever use paypal. Ebay wants you to say you take it, but I just put it in my listing that i dont.

zzzJonny · 17 Dec 2008 at 23:32

I don't mind buying through Paypal, but I've never sold anything using it and I don't plan to/want to.

[TW]Fox · 18 Dec 2008 at 00:01

Lopéz said:
It certainly does not mean untested/possibly broken etc. If you are auctioning something you have to describe it accurately. For a remote auction "Sold as seen" means nothing :/

Exactly my point. The first paypal chargeback sounds entirely reasonable, frankly. The OP sold the guy a faulty item. You can't just flog stuff and have a 'sold as seen' disclaimer on it, especially if it's not been seen or tested by the buyer!

If the guy came to your house, you had a chat, he had a look and you said 'Sold as seen' and he said ok and handed over some crisp tenners then fair enough. But this isn't the case and it isn't simply a figure of speech.

Tute · 18 Dec 2008 at 00:05

The goldren rule of Paypal:

***Always always always empty your Paypal account after any transaction has taken place, and do NOT link any cards to the account.***

If you don't do this, you're opening yourself up to a world of trouble.

As i've said before in numerous threads, i've watched as a friend of mine got his 60GB PS3 worth £350 stolen from him by a combination of a scammer and Paypal's "services". He did it by the book, sent it RMSD, and then sent proof of delivery and signatures when the buyer contested the transaction. But it didn't work. Paypal had gotten their money so they didn't care.

Anyone using Paypal has been warned. It will happen to you sooner or later.

platinum87 · 18 Dec 2008 at 02:13

Tute said:
The goldren rule of Paypal:

***Always always always empty your Paypal account after any transaction has taken place, and do NOT link any cards to the account.***

If you don't do this, you're opening yourself up to a world of trouble.

As i've said before in numerous threads, i've watched as a friend of mine got his 60GB PS3 worth £350 stolen from him by a combination of a scammer and Paypal's "services". He did it by the book, sent it RMSD, and then sent proof of delivery and signatures when the buyer contested the transaction. But it didn't work. Paypal had gotten their money so they didn't care.

Anyone using Paypal has been warned. It will happen to you sooner or later.

its possible to use that address.. go down there and set the house on fire?...

then go home and watch the news

Greenlizard0 · 18 Dec 2008 at 02:46

Tute said:
The goldren rule of Paypal:

***Always always always empty your Paypal account after any transaction has taken place, and do NOT link any cards to the account.

How do you use Paypal without linking to your cards? Link bank accounts instead?

garyh · 18 Dec 2008 at 03:12

[TW]Fox;13110220 said:
Exactly my point. The first paypal chargeback sounds entirely reasonable, frankly. The OP sold the guy a faulty item. You can't just flog stuff and have a 'sold as seen' disclaimer on it, especially if it's not been seen or tested by the buyer!

I'm with Fox on this one. You sold the guy a faulty product, you should have tested it and clearly stated it was faulty. It's not the onus of the buyer to discover if a product is faulty by your misleading 'coy' information.

Tefal · 18 Dec 2008 at 03:12

[TW]Fox;13110220 said:
Exactly my point. The first paypal chargeback sounds entirely reasonable, frankly. The OP sold the guy a faulty item. You can't just flog stuff and have a 'sold as seen' disclaimer on it, especially if it's not been seen or tested by the buyer!

except it;s not as he too the player apart and broke it in the process.

IFi buy a DVD player from Dixon take it apart, break it and return it then I wouldn't get my money back even if it was broken in the first place.

Hell the guy admits to taking it apart who's to say it was even broken before then.

Damien. · 18 Dec 2008 at 10:13

The protection on eBay and paypal is an absolute joke, i think ive been stung about 2-3 times in all.

The most i lost was £300 for a mobile phone, damn Nigerians.

malccy · 18 Dec 2008 at 10:32

Greenlizard0 said:
How do you use Paypal without linking to your cards? Link bank accounts instead?

Also interested in the answer to this.

Big.Wayne · 18 Dec 2008 at 10:37

Sounds like a pain SB118 although it's a pity that better negotiation couldn't have taken place between yourself and the buyer. It's more about that than anything to do with eBay and Paypal I feel.

I've sold hundreds of items on eBay and everything has gone like clockwork, PC hardware too which as you may expect could be prone to end users not installing things correctly or items being damaged in post etc.

I do mind the fee's a little but until I find an alternative not much I can do. My bank account is in good shape for xmas due to the selling power of eBay so I can't be anything but happy.

I'm not objecting to anyone having a good rant but merely wanted to include a tale with a happy ending so we know at least a few people have been able to benefit from eBay and Paypal without issue.

IAmATeaf · 18 Dec 2008 at 11:58

I had my PayPal account linked to my bank account but deleted that a few years when a £300+ transaction went through which I hadn't made. That money went directly from my bank account and PayPals view on this was that they had evidence that the transaction had been made using my internet services, which I disputed as on that day we were out. They then turned around and said that it must have been my wife/kids/relatives/dead person etc... It was only when I demanded to see this evidence that they actually instigated an investigation and found that it had all along been a dodgy scammy payment. To make matters worse, even after they agreed that it was fraud they froze my account, froze the money which meant I didn't get it back for around 2 weeks.

I then removed my bank account and only leave a single credit card detail online, reason being that and I hope that it affords better protection.

SiHH · 18 Dec 2008 at 12:59

What are people's alternatives for selling their goods then ? the local rags dont offer anywhere near the visibility and im not sure how good Gumtree is ?

Mattitude · 18 Dec 2008 at 13:10

i swear google had some plans to do something like ebay called marketplace a while back now, but they pulled out because of how much it would take to rival ebay.

Paypal is a joke and ebay tbh, i just sold about £400 of goods on ebay, i have an invoice of £20 with ebay which i have listed all items to the bare minimum. And paypal takes about £10 for each of the 3 transactions thats £50!

Like i know they have to make money! but they are huge all around the world and taking a percentage for what the item sells at is really nothing to do with them, listing fee's fine you're using their service. Paypal i'm not going to even go there.

After this im not using paypal again, i have had problems before with them. Bank transfers are the way to go

jamoor · 18 Dec 2008 at 13:16

[TW]Fox;13110220 said:
Exactly my point. The first paypal chargeback sounds entirely reasonable, frankly. The OP sold the guy a faulty item. You can't just flog stuff and have a 'sold as seen' disclaimer on it, especially if it's not been seen or tested by the buyer!

If the guy came to your house, you had a chat, he had a look and you said 'Sold as seen' and he said ok and handed over some crisp tenners then fair enough. But this isn't the case and it isn't simply a figure of speech.

I disagree,
the buyer should have seen the words sold as seen and assumed all eventualities and bid appropriately.

eBay and Paypal are a big joke now, I avoid buying and selling there now.

Lopéz · 18 Dec 2008 at 18:01

jamoor said:
I disagree,
the buyer should have seen the words sold as seen and assumed all eventualities and bid appropriately.

You can disagree all you like, you are wrong and Fox is right

Sold as seen means nothing and has no legal validity.

iMacMart · 21 Dec 2008 at 22:02

Brought what I thought was a 1st gen iPhone for £150 and the guy sent me a winrar file with get rich quick PDF's and some nasty .exe files, paypal kept me holding on for weeks then said as the item was tangable and wouldn't pay me, so they ended up backing up the scammer.. he did it to 6 other people and 2 of those people mailed me the proof that paypal refunded them but not us...

To say I was unhappy was an understatement really, having the paypal protection sign means nothing to me now.....grrrr

You live & learn.......I did

Steve2000 · 22 Dec 2008 at 01:00

I never leave a card linked to my Paypal. Just one of my old basic bank accounts, which is now used only for this purpose alone. I'm not really concerned what happens e.g. if they try to withdraw from the account without my permission as there's never anything in it more than a couple of quid. I wouldn't dare go near Paypal with any of my real accounts.

EdGey · 22 Dec 2008 at 03:34

that is F'ing stupid.

cant you just refuse? seriously thats stupid, im supprized.

JBuk · 22 Dec 2008 at 04:46

Paypal always seems to side with the buyer

I nearly got stung on a processor I sold, I clearly stated it had pin damage and showed a few photos of the damage

buyer recieves it, tries it then gives me positive feed back saying "excellent, works a treat"
2 weeks later hes blown it up, sticks in a claim with paypal and wins despite my evidence to show he had it and it worked , luckily he never returned the item to me so the claim expired and I got my cash back