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I mean just filming it with zero survival skill just sums up this generation. They’ve not seen the fire safety videos that I’ve had to sit through.
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I mean just filming it with zero survival skill just sums up this generation. They’ve not seen the fire safety videos that I’ve had to sit through.
Venue has a lot to answer for. It’s as if basic fire safety standards and common sense (sparkers, low ceiling, flammable material directly above..) never existed.
History is littered with nightclub fires across all generations, trying to make this about 'young people today' is very naive. As for them not having seen the videos you have seen, well that's your generations fault for not showing them. I think a little more respect for the dead wouldn't go amiss here.
Could you show an example of a nightclub fire in recent years where most victims have been middle aged or older?
Nightclubs are predominantly occupied by younger peeps. Its the target audience.
I meant across all generations when they were young. As in captainraves generation also experienced many nightclub fires. It's not unique to the young of today like they try to infer.
He’s saying that it’s not a problem of the ‘youth of today’.
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I didn’t say young people.
but many of them do lack basic awareness and critical thinking and even common knowledge can be alien to them.
The types always existed but they are more prevalent now, I remember in the 90s having a friend with 0 awareness of consequences of his actions.
often we'd go collecting conkers that often involved throwing sticks at a tree to knock them down.
He's was the kind of person that only sees the tree not the houses and windows behind it, that's most of millennials to me.
they arent thinking multiple steps ahead
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I dont imagine the youth of previous generations would have stood filming it on camera phones for...you know...obvious reasons.
What did you mean then by...
And most of the victims being young.
Which generation are you summing up?
Obviously not, but in many cases people died nonetheless. In fact because of those hard won improvements in safety these events are relatively rare in today's world and especially so in the west.
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The sound proofing being highly flammable and I guess the one narrow staircase exit helped fuel the spread of fire so quick.
That one exit acts as a vent to fuel it.
Fire standards have been completely disregarded here by the looks of it.
RIP to all those lost.
That one exit acts as a vent to fuel it.
Fire standards have been completely disregarded here by the looks of it.
RIP to all those lost.
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Social media generation.
Considering how often flared drinks and sparklers are used at venues I'm surprised that there aren't more instances of uncontrolled fires, but maybe that is just the result of successive building regulations that it would seem this particular venue was incapable of following.
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I only experienced 1 fire incident in my life up close, when I accidentally started a chip pan fire at uni shared house. My first reaction wasn't to get my camera to take photos but to put it out when it was relatively contained (in the pan). I tried to put on a wet towel as I remembered not to pour water over it. When that failed and the fire ignited the extractor fan I went to get the fire extinguisher while my housemate called 999. I managed to put it out with the fire extinguisher before it spread beyond the initial spot. I'd say there was 45 seconds max from the "BANG" that I heard, when the fire ignited to it being put out.
I never used a fire extinguisher before in my life, and I totally forgot there was a fire blanket in the kitchen that i missed.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that the staff working there should have basic training to know where all the fire extinguishers are (and know what type for what kind of fire), if they didn't then that is a big failing.
RIP to all those who died, so young too.
I never used a fire extinguisher before in my life, and I totally forgot there was a fire blanket in the kitchen that i missed.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that the staff working there should have basic training to know where all the fire extinguishers are (and know what type for what kind of fire), if they didn't then that is a big failing.
RIP to all those who died, so young too.
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Days ahead more things will come out about fire safety here.
It just looks so far like every fire safety measure was disregarded.
Profits over safety comes to mind.
Looks like it was overcrowded as well for the size of place and with only 1 exit I believe there is a limit to the number you can have in small area.
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A chip pan fire is scary, but it's relatively contained and tends not to spread that fast. It's also one of the reasons we have rules about how low above a hob you can put things like cupboard, that 60cm or so works very well in reducing the speed at which anything above the hob will catch in the event of a pan fire, as it allows some room for the heat to dissipate before hitting a potentially vulnerable item, and even then normally all that is above it is a metal extractor.
The reason the sort of ceiling tiles that seem to have been in use at the venue have been IIRC banned for decades in many places is because once one catches, it spreads very quickly, both because they're flamable and because the heat can't go anywhere but to the surrounding tiles.
These sorts of fires can spread beyond "easy control" or even "time to get a fire extinguisher and reach it" for even very aware staff who notice and act immediately, before they can reach it.
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See a fire, leave the building immediately by the quickest route. When in a safe place phone the emergency services. Do not attempt to put out the fire unless suitably trained and it is obviously controllable.
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