Firefly/Serenity?

Yup great series and film, i heard about it on here and I'm so glad i did as its not really something i would have looked twice at on the DVD rack in a store.

Only problem is Ive developed a massive crush on Summer Glau as a result :o. Nahh i just think shes a great actress and really made me care about the character River (honest), i nearly shed man tears at one point during the series :eek:.
 
Firefly is my favourite series ever. I'm currently rewatching it on blu-ray.

Make sure you watch in this order:

1. Serenity (episode, not the film :p)
2. The Train Job
3. Bushwacked
4. Shindig
5. Safe
6. Our Mrs Reynolds
7. Jaynestown
8. Out of Gas
9. Ariel
10. War Stories
11. Trash
12. The Message
13. Heart of Gold
14. Objects in Space

Mark A said:
Only problem is Ive developed a massive crush on Summer Glau as a result :o. Nahh i just think shes a great actress and really made me care about the character River (honest), i nearly shed man tears at one point during the series :eek:.
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lol same here.
 
RDM said:
Surely that would be "Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?"
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Always loved that one :D

Excellent series, such a shame it wasn't given a proper chance, especially with the following it's picked up since it was canned.
 
tibbsey said:
Always loved that one :D

Excellent series, such a shame it wasn't given a proper chance, especially with the following it's picked up since it was canned.
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It has a strong following but these numbers are still very small unfortunately. Serenity was the big chance to show it had a big following but it barely even broke even at the box office:(. If there was a Serenity 2 it would be a similar story, it just doesn't appeal to the mainstream.

I hope Joss Whedon makes another program thats very similar with the same characters. Maybe if he dropped the stupid western theme it would do better?

I'm currently watching DollHouse which is very good but not a patch on Firefly. Still Alan tudyk will be in it soon and Mark Sheppard is in it, just need Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin and Summer Glau and it'll be epic :D.
 
H2F Scott said:
Blasphemy! :p

The stupid western theme is what made the dialogue so good. :D
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For me it was more about the characters and the whole reavers/hands of blue etc. I felt the Western element was needlessly tacked on and would have been better without it. Especially didn't like how they were firing old 6 shooters that made pew pew pew sounds lol. It didn't put me off the show and i still class it as one of the best Ive seen but i can see how that could have put the mainstream audience off.
 
Mark A said:
For me it was more about the characters and the whole reavers/hands of blue etc. I felt the Western element was needlessly tacked on and would have been better without it. Especially didn't like how they were firing old 6 shooters that made pew pew pew sounds lol. It didn't put me off the show and i still class it as one of the best Ive seen but i can see how that could have put the mainstream audience off.
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I disagree. The hands of blue stuff was pretty much just one episode and the reavers were in one other so hardly made the whole series good, it was the western aspect to it that made it awesome.
The characters outlaws, running from the law taking jobs as they find them.
Awesome!!
But the characters themselves are brilliant, and the dialogue was fantastic.

"Hey I'm talking AT you!"
 
Mark A said:
I felt the Western element was needlessly tacked on and would have been better without it.
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My understanding is that the whole initial premise was "cowboys in space". Trouble, I think Whedon thought he was being original. Actually the idea is so old-hat that a man named H L Gold wrote an editorial criticising it. In 1950.


I'm going to go against the common grain here and say I thought it was a very average series. It had the odd good idea (the Chinese was a nice touch - particularly they never translated it), but too many cliches. Fillon was mis-cast (as anyone who saw the last series of Buffy will tell you, he makes a better villain than hero). The main thing is that he simply doesn't have the charisma to make you understand why his crew would follow him anywhere. The character repartee took a long time to get going too - and yet this is what Whedon is most famous for.

That said, I enjoyed it a lot more the second time I watched it.

And the Reavers were just silly - they simply made no logical sense: they act like crazed zombies, but can run (albeit badly) and fly spaceships.



M
 
Meridian said:
Fillon was mis-cast (as anyone who saw the last series of Buffy will tell you, he makes a better villain than hero). The main thing is that he simply doesn't have the charisma to make you understand why his crew would follow him anywhere. The character repartee took a long time to get going too - and yet this is what Whedon is most famous for.

That said, I enjoyed it a lot more the second time I watched it.

And the Reavers were just silly - they simply made no logical sense: they act like crazed zombies, but can run (albeit badly) and fly spaceships.



M
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I could not disagree more with that.

1. Fillion is good as both a hero and a villain.
2. Macolm Reynolds isn't mean to be a hero, if you thought that you haven't really understood the show.
3. I thought the repartee was there from the first episode
4. Which character did you not believe would follow Mal?
5. The Reavers are not like Zombies.
 
Shamikebab said:
I could not disagree more with that.

1. Fillion is good as both a hero and a villain.
2. Macolm Reynolds isn't mean to be a hero, if you thought that you haven't really understood the show.
3. I thought the repartee was there from the first episode
4. Which character did you not believe would follow Mal?
5. The Reavers are not like Zombies.
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I am well aware of the concept of the Anti-Hero, thank you very much. And he isn't one of those. He's probably closest to the "Flawed Hero" mould, but that still leaves him in the Hero camp.


The repartee is there, it just isn't very good. There's no feeling that several of these people have been together for years.


As for not following Mal, I think you are misunderstanding me? The plot requires them to all do so, but the series (and Fillon - but it's not entirely his fault) fails to demonstrate why. He simply doesn't show the charisma required, and the lack-lustre direction and script don't pull it out either. He's just sort of vaguely there. Compare him with people you've seen or met that you would follow into death, and you should see what I mean.


The Reavers chase after people and eat them. Apart from being alive, they're zombies. It's clearly what they are modelled on.


M
 
And now I have a question:


Is there anyone who considers themselves a fan of TV Science Fiction who does not like the series? I suspect that almost all of the people who don't like it (or at least consider it over-rated) are not TV Science Fiction fans. The other obvious corollary I'll leave you to work out.



M
 
Meridian said:
I am well aware of the concept of the Anti-Hero, thank you very much. And he isn't one of those. He's probably closest to the "Flawed Hero" mould, but that still leaves him in the Hero camp.
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I wasn't meant to sound condescending. I just don't think the show i really about heroes and villains. They're just trying to survive.

Meridian said:
The repartee is there, it just isn't very good. There's no feeling that several of these people have been together for years.
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I felt the opposite really, other than the 3 new passengers obviously.

Meridian said:
As for not following Mal, I think you are misunderstanding me? The plot requires them to all do so, but the series (and Fillon - but it's not entirely his fault) fails to demonstrate why. He simply doesn't show the charisma required, and the lack-lustre direction and script don't pull it out either. He's just sort of vaguely there. Compare him with people you've seen or met that you would follow into death, and you should see what I mean.
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Well I think they all have their own reasons for following him, other than it's their job obviously.

Zoe - obviously followed Mal throughout the war so when the war was over it was a natural progression for someone who is proficient in combat.
Wash - Joined initially as a job, stayed for Zoe.
Kaylee - She loves the ship and joined to explore the galaxy.
Jayne - Is in it for the money.
Inara - The tricky one, we don't really know why she joined.
Simon - Trying to keep river safe.
River - Would stay with Simon
Book - Wants to explore

I know you probably know all this if you've seen the show but I don't really see where you're coming from.

Meridian said:
The Reavers chase after people and eat them. Apart from being alive, they're zombies. It's clearly what they are modelled on.
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No, no they aren't. Have you seen Serenity? You also have to remember how much we saw Reavers. Only in the film, and then only briefly. We know very little about them. Saying they are based on zombies because of a single thing in common is silly.
 
Just watched the pilot.

So far it looks promising, even if just for that companion lass who knocks spots of Miss Glau for me :)

The only thing that bugs me so far is the captains haircut...too 80's :D

Oh, and the godawful singing on the theme tune!
 
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