Firefly/Serenity?

I love Out of Gas, I found it really touching, getting an insight into Mal's devotion to his ship and his crew
 
Here's the test I always set at this point:


Q: What is the only science fiction film to win one of the "Big Four" (Film/Director/Actor/Script) Oscars?

Not 2001. It was nominated for Best Original Story and Screenplay, Best Art Direction/Set Decoration, and Best Director as well as Best Special Visual Effects (which it won). So maybe you need to set a new test as you seem to have failed your own. :D
 
Not 2001. It was nominated for Best Original Story and Screenplay, Best Art Direction/Set Decoration, and Best Director as well as Best Special Visual Effects (which it won). So maybe you need to set a new test as you seem to have failed your own. :D



Er - I didn't say it was 2001. In fact I didn't supply an answer at all - that would be fairly silly until people had guessed the answer. Sweatloaf mentioned it, but only in the context of the Oscar for special effects. So it would seem the fail belongs to you.


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Without cheating, the only other Sci Fi film I know of that was made in '68 was Planet of The Apes so that would be my guess.

Off to google it.

edit- It would seem not. Go on then, what's the answer?
 
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Actually, I just watched an episode again and I think the one thing that amazed me so much about Serenity was the silence in space.

It's the only scifi show I can think of that doesn't try to go all out on the sound effects. And its beautiful.
 
I'm not sure I've seen the film - on the DVD set the first episode is a 2 parter called Serenity. Is that the 'film' or the pilot episode?
 
I'm not sure I've seen the film - on the DVD set the first episode is a 2 parter called Serenity. Is that the 'film' or the pilot episode?

That was my original question :)

Pilot episode is also called Serenity but is seperate to the film, the film should be watched last.
 
Firefly is a completely awesome series... that it was cancelled is testament to the state of the TV industry and the reality TV zombies that watch it. The series combined so many great elements it's no wonder it has such a fiercely loyal fanbase. It is a quality, quality show in so many respects. Great script, great acting, great character and a great setting. Who cares if it's not all new and 100% original, it's the end result that counts.

My understanding is that the whole initial premise was "cowboys in space". Trouble, I think Whedon thought he was being original. Actually the idea is so old-hat that a man named H L Gold wrote an editorial criticising it. In 1950.


I'm going to go against the common grain here and say I thought it was a very average series. It had the odd good idea (the Chinese was a nice touch - particularly they never translated it), but too many cliches. Fillon was mis-cast (as anyone who saw the last series of Buffy will tell you, he makes a better villain than hero). The main thing is that he simply doesn't have the charisma to make you understand why his crew would follow him anywhere. The character repartee took a long time to get going too - and yet this is what Whedon is most famous for.

That said, I enjoyed it a lot more the second time I watched it.

And the Reavers were just silly - they simply made no logical sense: they act like crazed zombies, but can run (albeit badly) and fly spaceships.

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Fillion was perfectly cast imo... he added an element to that role that I think few other actors could have pulled off. He managed to be cold, ruthless, rogueish and yet honourable all at the same time... he made the character damn likeable, and it worked. Plus his line delivery was spot on in both tone and timing.

ALso, Reavers are not meant to be Zombies in space... they are completely depraved and psychotic humans who while undoubtedly insane, still retain intelligence and cunning enough to have some rudimentary society. DON't forget, all of these charactes grew up around spaceships and technology... it will be second nature to many of them, no matter their warped state of minds.

The repartee is there, it just isn't very good. There's no feeling that several of these people have been together for years.

As for not following Mal, I think you are misunderstanding me? The plot requires them to all do so, but the series (and Fillon - but it's not entirely his fault) fails to demonstrate why.

Not only did some of them fight with Mal in the war, but others stay with him simply because it he has never let them down... and that they can trust himto not only act fairly and not screw them over, but generally find good places to scavenge, and broker good deals with trader when selling their bootleg gear. I imagine that sort of character was hard to find in a dog-eat-dog universe where everyone wants to either arrest you, screw you over, or eat you.
 
Not only did some of them fight with Mal in the war, but others stay with him simply because it he has never let them down... and that they can trust himto not only act fairly and not screw them over, but generally find good places to scavenge, and broker good deals with trader when selling their bootleg gear. I imagine that sort of character was hard to find in a dog-eat-dog universe where everyone wants to either arrest you, screw you over, or eat you.



People are still missing my point. I'm trying to say the Fillon lacks the charisma as a actor to make you believe that part he plays could inspire his crew that much. I completely understand that "Mal" inspires them, but only because I understand that the script requires it. Fillon is simply too charisma-free to persuade me. Fillon, not Reynolds. If a better actor played the part, then maybe I'd believe. Go and watch the first two or three series of The West Wing (again if you already have): Martin Sheen has got that charisma - it's easy to believe that his staff would do anything for the character he plays. Sheen, not Bartlett. We know that they would do it for POTUS, but Sheen makes you believe it. Am I making myself clear? This is about acting, not what the script tries to tell you.

And you are also missing my point about reavers as zombies: I know perfectly well that that are not literally zombies, but the point I am making is that they behave entirely as them, to the point that if you replaced them with classical zombies it would make no difference to the series at all. In the same way that Imperial Stormtroopers are just WW2 German soldiers from Where Eagles Dare (they certainly used the same marksmanship school) in plastic armour. This is science fiction, at least try to be original.



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Personally I liked Fillon and thought he did a cracking job, what really came across was that he was always willing to take the fall for his crew and in true military style was willing to go down with his ship and put Jayne in his place when he got out of line. Fillon worked for me.

Now about this Oscar? :)
 
People are still missing my point. I'm trying to say the Fillon lacks the charisma as a actor to make you believe that part he plays could inspire his crew that much

I get what you're trying to say... I just don't agree. And by the looks if it that goes for most people in this thread too. Don't get annoyed because you happen to be in the minority with an opinion. :)
 
I get what you're trying to say... I just don't agree. And by the looks if it that goes for most people in this thread too. Don't get annoyed because you happen to be in the minority with an opinion. :)



No, most people (like (for instance Sweatloaf above)) seem to be quoting what the script requires and treating it as the same thing as what the actor is doing 9or failing to do).

And when you said this:

Not only did some of them fight with Mal in the war, but others stay with him simply because it he has never let them down... and that they can trust himto not only act fairly and not screw them over, but generally find good places to scavenge, and broker good deals with trader when selling their bootleg gear. I imagine that sort of character was hard to find in a dog-eat-dog universe where everyone wants to either arrest you, screw you over, or eat you.

you are again commenting on the script, not the acting. That's why I wasn't convinced (and am still not entirely).


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Now about this Oscar? :)


I'd kinda like to see some more of the people who think Star Wars is a good film have a guess, because the answer is interesting: the film concerned is almost never shown on TV (I've never actually seen it, and I only remember it being listed once) and has no special effects (I believe), no aliens, no robots and no space ships. There are no battles (not physical anyway) and no people die (readers of SF will (hopefully) guess if I tell you that a mouse does). And yet this film, which won the leading actor an Oscar (I believe he also produced and scripted the film, but didn't win for those) has almost disappeared.


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