Fireman Sam the Islamaphobe.

Arazi said:
Nobody has said they haven't.

But anything done by Christianity etc that is on a scale of what the current and recent Islamic attacks are was probably done over 500 years ago.

You cannot compare any other religion to doing atrocities like the ones we are seeing now, or in the past 100 years at least.
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You understand Christians have committed murder in the past 100 years right? , committed atrocious acts of terrorism too.

A literally ******* Christian reverend murdered people at a Abortion clinic.

A Christian was personally responsible for murdering over a 100 people in anti gay, anti abortion agenda because of his faith.

Last year people were killed at an abortion clinic by a man who's faith was that of an evangelical Christian.

How is a reverend killing people in the name of his god, because he believes that his god tells him that abortion is wrong, is any different to the awful killings that have occurred recently?
 
Arazi said:
You cannot compare any other religion to doing atrocities like the ones we are seeing now, or in the past 100 years at least.
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Tony Blair is a Christian. He ordered a military action that would inevitably result in the deaths of a number of the people he was sending to do that action, and the deaths of many innocent people in that country. There was no threat to Britain from Iraq at the time that action was instigated. Most likely he would have prayed and felt that God would be comfortable with his choice, and perhaps it went further than that.

In 1994, the Greek Orthodox Church declared Radovan Karadžić "one of the most prominent sons of our Lord Jesus Christ working for peace", he then went on to embark on a programme of genocide.

''Over 20 Hindus in Tripura (North-East India) were reported to have been killed by the National Liberation Front of Tripura from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity.''

''Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese new religion and doomsday cult that was the cause of the Tokyo subway sarin attack that killed thirteen people and injured fifty, drew upon a syncretic view of idiosyncratic interpretations of elements of early Indian Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism'' 1995.

''The 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly. A British photographer present during the incident said that "People who committed the acts of murder that I saw that day were wearing [crucifixes] and were calling themselves Christians."

Terrible persecution of gay people across Africa inspired by Christian Evangelicals.

Is that enough to be going on with?
 
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You freaks still chatting about yesterday's slow news day crap? An animator was having a laugh. He got caught years later
Nothing to say
 
Efour said:
You freaks still chatting about yesterday's slow news day crap? An animator was having a laugh. He got caught years later
Nothing to say
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You know the drill by now. Take one insignificant story and blow it up to into the most significant religious terrorism thread of all time in twenty four hours. GD at its finest... ;)
 
Religion, you just either believe or you don't, if a person has "faith" then to be honest it's just best left at that. Nothing you write on a forum will make that person change their "beliefs".

I know people who are Christians and Muslim (don't know any Jews) and while it always makes for an interesting "discussion" which does sometimes get heated in a "passionate debate" kind of way you just have to respect their views. (which I personally disagree with but it's their life and they have to live it their way)

To be honest if it wasn't religion it would be race, it it wasn't race it would be height or some other discriminator. Since their have been people there has been conflict, people always find a way to discriminate and wage war.
 
dowie said:
I'm not sure there is anything too wrong with being intolerant of intolerance.
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We don't want intolerance here at all, this is probably the crux of the issue.

There are ways of putting your point across without being deliberately antagonistic. These ways seem beyond some here.

I myself dislike mass religions as a whole. I understand why they were created, and perhaps at that time they were a necessity. They taught people right from wrong when that was needed, they gave people that had nothing some hope. I would prefer that we move towards a global secular society, but that's only my own belief and my own personal opinion. I don't seek to enforce this opinion or push it onto others.

It is possible to discuss world events and what we'd like to see happen in the future without deriding those that do have faith. Those individuals that oppress and attack others should be derided, but not those living normal or good lives that just so happen to share a god with ***** that can't exist normally within a modern society.
 
Freefaller said:
Can you turn down the vitriol please.
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:confused:

That isn't vitriol imo. Someone has just stated a view that to be fair is substantiated by any logical examination of the concept.

Blind acceptance of dogma is very rarely that useful and should be open to challenge.

A fellow mod then says this:

Gilly said:
I myself dislike mass religions as a whole. [snip]

Those individuals that oppress and attack others should be derided
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I am not seeing a drastic difference between a post made that you said needed to be toned down. Let's face it he didn't call them idiots or anything like that: naive (is merely a matter of opinion depending on which side you are), gullible (same again), indoctrinated (hard to say children raised as religious are not being indoctrinated), delusional (medically described in this context).

Considering that religious texts sanction persecution, attacks and oppression that also meets Gilly's description.
 
Xordium said:
I am not seeing a drastic difference between a post made that you said needed to be toned down. Let's face it he didn't call them idiots or anything like that: naive (is merely a matter of opinion depending on which side you are), gullible (same again), indoctrinated (hard to say children raised as religious are not being indoctrinated), delusional (medically described in this context).

Considering that religious texts sanction persecution, attacks and oppression that also meets Gilly's description.
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Religious texts aren't members here. You can think that they are fairy stories all you want - and I have shared my own opinion on this, but thinking that and shouting it across the forums knowing that there are people here that hold those beliefs are completely different things.

Can you find any posts where I've attacked Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any other form of mass religion anywhere in the past 5 years? I still have those beliefs but don't feel the need to force them onto others. I did used to be intolerant of mass religion, but then I recognised the difference between the religion itself and the followers of it, and those that are good people and good members here.

There's simply no need to behave the way some do. Just a modicum of decency would sort it out.
 
Craterloads said:
You seem to be arguing double standards and it was the mere fact of depicting and using twitter as evidence showing others doing the same but that simply isn't the case.
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right, of course. Double standards:rolleyes:

I think you will find it was the "on the floor" and "flung over the place" along with what was perceived, wrongly or rightly so as being trodden on.
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The point was the complaints were not just about it being trodden on. the complains all revolved around it being there at all. Go read the tweets from that have been posted - that verdi guy knew it wasnt trodden on yet still pursued an apology. why? because it was there and he didnt like it. This is why i said he's a hypocrite, when he's posting images of the same page all over twitter. You want double standards? Well, there it is- go bother him instead.
 
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james.miller said:
right, of course. Double standards:rolleyes:



The point was the complaints were not just about it being trodden on. the complains all revolved around it being there at all. Go read the tweets from that have been posted - that verdi guy knew it wasnt trodden on yet still pursued an apology. why? because it was there and he didnt like it. This is why i said he's a hypocrite, when he's posting images of the same page all over twitter. You want double standards? Well, there it is- go bother him instead.
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He said he had has no idea why it was there and he is correct, it wasn't suppose to be there?

The vast majority of complaints were over the perception of being trodden on and flung in the air, the media ran with the perception. or it being on the floor and thrown around all which seem reasonable.

You are trying your very best to find a double standard to complain about something that doesn't exist. Anyhow I'm done with this thread it was pointless to begin with and there wasn't really much to "discuss"
 
zoomee said:
What do you expect when the producer of the show has previously been caught giving anti-muslim vibes? - He got told off at the airport last time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17181861
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David Jones was held for questioning as he passed through X-ray scanners after asking why a veiled Muslim woman was not checked by airport security.
He denied making an offensive remark, saying it was "an observation, nothing more", but he was told he should apologise to a Muslim security guard who was nearby when the comment was made.

Oh no. How terrible.
 
Why do some of you think we should be able to be rude and offend anyone we like when ever we like without anyone objecting to the offence and then try to denigrate the people that object with terms such as ********* or virtue seeking?
 
zoomee said:
What do you expect when the producer of the show has previously been caught giving anti-muslim vibes? - He got told off at the airport last time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-17181861
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1) not a producer.
2) he's had nothing to do with the show since its original inception over 30 years ago.


so what do i expect? I expect people like you to latch on to that and bitch about it even though the guys had nothing to do with the show for decades.

...expectation met ;)

Hi zoomee have you had time to find some examples to back up your discussion point from yesterday?
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Also that ^^^
 
drs101 said:
Why do some of you think we should be able to be rude and offend anyone we like when ever we like without anyone objecting to the offence and then try to denigrate the people that object with terms such as ********* or virtue seeking?
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I think when people seemingly get more upset about a typo in a cartoon than a pensioner getting their head chopped off it tends to provoke strong reactions. :)
 
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