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Firestrike Extreme Bench.

humbug said:
Hey _Alatar_ talked about Titans, the 7K club locking out 290X. i responded by pointing out how much it cost, _Alatar_ responded by trying to justify its price, i made it clear i didn't agree with that or the very idea that it can be justified........

If we can't have a proper debate then whats the point?
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Ugh, look my point is this:

-Titan was an early adopter's card. You paid the premium for getting the level of performance early. Early Titan adopters have had their cards in use for twice as long as early 290X owners. TWICE as long. Try to think about February 2013 and a market where 680 and 7970 were the only other options. And where faster solutions than the Titan were almost a year away. If people wanted a new card at that point and money wasn't an issue then it's perfectly justifiable. I do not want to wait a complete GPU generation just to get a tad lower OC'd performance (290X) or a couple of months longer than that to get a couple of percent higher OC'd performance (780Ti classys + kingpin).

and:

-Even after the R9s launched the Titan was topping the benchmark lists. It was only dethroned by the 780Tis with voltage control. As is evident in this thread as well seeing how a properly handled Titan can beat the best 290Xs.

So if you're an overclocker the OC'd performance goes like this:

780Ti classys > Titans > 290Xs/780Tis (no volt control) > 780 Classys > 290s > 780 non classys.

And the 7K comments were just silly teasing, I didn't think people would actually take it seriously...
 
LtMatt said:
Kaap how are the 14.6 drivers on the synthetic benchmarks?
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I have not really given them a good go but I suspect that they will be the same as 14.4 - same performance but at lower clocks than 13.xx with more instability on multi GPU setups. For game benchmarks though the 14.xx drivers are a nice improvement on the 13.xx ones.
 
_Alatar_ said:
Ugh, look my point is this:

-Titan was an early adopter's card. You paid the premium for getting the level of performance early. Early Titan adopters have had their cards in use for twice as long as early 290X owners. TWICE as long. Try to think about February 2013 and a market where 680 and 7970 were the only other options. And where faster solutions than the Titan were almost a year away. If people wanted a new card at that point and money wasn't an issue then it's perfectly justifiable. I do not want to wait a complete GPU generation just to get a tad lower OC'd performance (290X) or a couple of months longer than that to get a couple of percent higher OC'd performance (780Ti classys + kingpin).

and:

-Even after the R9s launched the Titan was topping the benchmark lists. It was only dethroned by the 780Tis with voltage control. As is evident in this thread as well seeing how a properly handled Titan can beat the best 290Xs.

So if you're an overclocker the OC'd performance goes like this:

780Ti classys > Titans > 290Xs/780Tis (no volt control) > 780 Classys > 290s > 780 non classys.

And the 7K comments were just silly teasing, I didn't think people would actually take it seriously...
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early adopter's of what? insane prices? it must be, never before has GPU H cost £500 more that GPU G in the hierarchy.

You must have missed it the first time i said this, i use my cards for gaming, a few Synthetic benchmarking apps are just a bit of fun, Synthetic benchmarking means absolutely nothing, other than how far one is willing to push their card, like 90% of people in these threads i don't use Hacked BIOS, modified cooling and i don't push it to the point where my screen looks like a 70's disco, with its original BIOS, original cooler and clean IQ i'm pushing a 30% overclock.
it has nothing to do with with what the card can do, its all about what i'm not willing to do to it. you can't use the difference in what we do to our cards to compare the cards.

Your reasoning to justify £850 for this GPU to me smacks of something like Stockholm Syndrome, a £500 premium for a card that is simply a step up in performance is madness, all you can think to do is to defend it by using reasoning thats just as mad, thats not an insult, its an opinionated observation.

I'd love to hear what you make of the Titan-Z.
 
I think the Titan Z is a piece of garbage that should never have been priced at $3000 for the gamer market.

Also I too game with my card. And I use my custom bios for gaming. It does nothing more than disables the gpu boost 2.0 feature and removes power limits. And I play with a 40% overclock...

And still the main point is that I didn't have to wait 9 extra months to get it. Is getting better than 290X performance 9 months before the 290X launched for 450 more such a bad deal? Not to me it isn't. I buy pretty much all the new intel platforms and stuff anyway. Didn't feel like waiting for an entire GPU generation just to save a few hundred.
 
_Alatar_ said:
I think the Titan Z is a piece of garbage that should never have been priced at $3000 for the gamer market.

Also I too game with my card. And I use my custom bios for gaming. It does nothing more than disables the gpu boost 2.0 feature and removes power limits. And I play with a 40% overclock...

And still the main point is that I didn't have to wait 9 extra months to get it. Is getting better than 290X performance 9 months before the 290X launched for 450 more such a bad deal? Not to me it isn't. I buy pretty much all the new intel platforms and stuff anyway. Didn't feel like waiting for an entire GPU generation just to save a few hundred.
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Well, i don't think its a piece of garbage, its a great GPU in its own right, but there is a GPU every bit as good available for less than half, its simply insane. stupid...

I don't want to keep going, to answer your question, a GTX 680, also a good GPU in its own right, was never all that much slower, about 30%? the GTX Titan was a step or two up, nothing more than that, given a fancy name and a fancy cooler, and while it is a good reference cooler, does not warrant £850 with the GTX 680 @ £300.

If you decided it was worth it then that is your choice and thats fine, but i do not believe for a second that this price is justifiable, IMO that is madness.
 
Wong thread, Andy. This is the Firestrike Extreme thread, not the Firestrike thread.

While you are here though, do you mind telling what those poseidons boosted to? That score is really low for 2 780s.
 
I meant that the 780/780 Ti cards usually boost higher than advertised given the cooling. So I was curious to see how these went- on air or if they were part of a water loop.
 
vsg28 said:
I meant that the 780/780 Ti cards usually boost higher than advertised given the cooling. So I was curious to see how these went- on air or if they were part of a water loop.
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Silly me had climateprediction running at same time so cpu was maxed out lol bit better now
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2208601

they are water cooled , and at that last score they were @ stock settings, trying overclock now if u check out the proper thread , they sure run cooler on water
Last post in here until i can shell out 20quid for the extreme :)
 
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