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Firestrike Extreme Bench.

humbug said:
Running a massively over priced £850 GPU with a Hack BIOS to with in an inch of destruction... no thanks. your welcome to it.
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Yes a 16 month old GPU with 6 gigs of VRAM that can only be beaten by 3GB 780Ti classifieds.

Such terrible value.

I know what I'm doing and my system isn't about to die. If I want to push things I'll do something like putting 2.3V through some FX chips, which is always fun. But a Titan under water with 1.38v and a 1.3v 4770K? Meh, that's safe mode.
 
_Alatar_ said:
Yes a 16 month old GPU with 6 gigs of VRAM that can only be beaten by 3GB 780Ti classifieds.

Such terrible value.
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Actually its regularly beaten by a 290X, even a 290 trades blows with it in the real world.

Your not seriously suggesting that it was good value @ $1000 when it was only 30% faster than a 7970 and much slower than a 7990 and beaten by a single GPU little more than 6 months later.
 
Guys can we keep the bickering out of benchmark threads thanks :)
I come here to look at results not bickering over who's card cost more $$ or if its about to implode
 
humbug said:
Actually its regularly beaten by a 290X, even a 290 trades blows with it in the real world.
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Only if you run it at the ridiculously low stock clocks...

It has higher OCing headroom than any of the other current high end cards. Proof should be pretty blatantly obvious.

Personally I don't particularly care about stock. I run mine at ~1350MHz for gaming which is around 370MHz over stock. Let's see gaming clocks like that on the R9s...

And I'm perfectly happy with my purchase. As I said, 6GB memory, OC vs. OC fastest card out there aside from 780Ti classys, and it's old as balls compared to the 780Tis and 290Xs. Would I again pay more for a 9 month headstart? Absolutely.
 
_Alatar_ said:
Only if you run it at the ridiculously low stock clocks...

It has higher OCing headroom than any of the other current high end cards. Proof should be pretty blatantly obvious.

Personally I don't particularly care about stock. I run mine at ~1350MHz for gaming which is around 370MHz over stock. Let's see gaming clocks like that on the R9s...
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You don't give up do you?

I can do a 300Mhz overclock on mine with its stock cooler and the original unmolested BIOS, its nothing special, stick a watter cooler on it and unlock MSI AB Benching volts i have no doubt it will do a lot more, but what the hell for to risk blowing it, willy wagging?

In anycase Stock clocks are already way higher on the Titan than the 290/X because of GPU Boost 2, they already run at 1100Mhz out of the box, some even higher on short runs.

So while a 25% over clock on the 290X is 1250Mhz, the same 25% overclock on the Titan is more like 1400Mhz + in terms of getting it to run higher than it otherwise does.

Nor will the Titan get there without modifying it as its locked to minimal volts and power envelopes while the 290X is not lock at all, not to mention half the price and yes faster in the real world.

You paid $1000 for a card that is no faster than my $380 290.

Its not a competition. at least not to me, its a bit of fun. i don't care about your Titan and its ~7K Score, good for you, i don't care much for the justification of $1000 and Water cooling, modified BIOS and running it to the brink of destruction to beat me, good luck to you, i don't buy it. i'm not an idiot. i have no need to justify the price of my GPU, i wasn't the one ripped off.

I'm out/:
 
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You're clueless if you think Titans run at 1100MHz+ at stock...

Titans boost to 980-993MHz max at stock (with very few cards having a max boost state of 1006MHz or 963MHz). And usually in reviews they throttle down due to the extremely restrictive power limits and the 80C limit coupled with a lax fan profile.

For example:

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And as for the rest of the post:

If my card is no faster than your 290 and needs to be OC'd to 1400MHz+ to beat 1250MHz 290Xs then why is my card scoring so much better than your 290 and why are no 290Xs beating it in graphics score, even though there are ~1330MHz 290Xs in here? Hell, I've beaten a 1360MHz 290X with room to spare on OCN. According to you that should take a ~1550MHz Titan. But it doesn't.

Fact of the matter is that Titans came out pretty much a whole generation before the R9s did and once overclocked the Titans are actually faster. While having more memory.

E: and I don't usually give up when someone is spreading misinformation, which is happening here.
2nd E: and flashing a bios takes literally 2 minutes. We're not on tomshardware I hope so that shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
 
_Alatar_ said:
This is a bit older score (so I don't know if I can submit it here) but since the bench hasn't changed at all I don't see why not.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/1608672

GPU: GTX Titan @ 1438/1960MHz [water]
CPU: 4770K @ 5318MHz [Single stage phase]

GPU score: 7057
Overall: 6729

So count me into the 7K+ GPU score club :p Gotta have a Titan there too so we don't have a 290X getting faster GPU scores than Titans.

Though I do really have to switch to my SB-E setup at some point to rebench all the recent 3dmarks. Because they do love dem cores for overall score.
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Great score Alatar.

Fed up of seeing people still whining about the price of the 16 month old Titan as well and especially in a benching thread. Pathetic and comes across as jealousy.
 
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Wow humbug, lay off on the insults to Alatar, just makes you come across as a bit of a...

Anyway, I think it's great that Alatar is running a modified bios and stuff - shows that he is enthusiastic about this area, what's wrong with that?
 
Gregster said:
Fed up of seeing people still whining about the price of the 16 month old Titan as well and especially in a benching thread. Pathetic and comes across as jealousy.
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why would i be jealous of a card that costs nearly 3 time as much as mine and needs to be heavily modified to beat it convincingly.

Its Just utter bemusement at the desperation of some of its owners to justify their decision to make that purchase.

Also a level of amusement and pride in my choice if i'm honest.
 
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humbug said:
why would i be jealous of a card that costs nearly 3 time as much as mine and needs to be heavily modified to beat it convincingly.

Its Just utter bemusement at the desperation of some of its owners to justify their decision to make that purchase.

And a level of amusement and pride in my choice if i'm honest.
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Because in a Benchmark thread Value has no meaning, all that matters is the end result. Who has the highest score irrespective of price.
 
humbug said:
why would i be jealous of a card that costs nearly 3 time as much as mine and needs to be heavily modified to beat it convincingly.

Its Just utter bemusement at the desperation of some of its owners to justify their decision to make that purchase.

And a level of amusement and pride in my choice if i'm honest.
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Go and read your personal attacks on Alatar and completely unprovoked and then you might see how it looks.

Do yourself a favour and drop it is my advice. This is a bench thread after all and cost is irrelevant. The Titans were out almost a year before the 290X was released, so how does that even be debatable when early Titan buyers couldn't buy the equivalent AMD card?

Just remember how long the Titan has been out.
 
Gregster said:
Go and read your personal attacks on Alatar and completely unprovoked and then you might see how it looks.

Do yourself a favour and drop it is my advice. This is a bench thread after all and cost is irrelevant. The Titans were out almost a year before the 290X was released, so how does that even be debatable when early Titan buyers couldn't buy the equivalent AMD card?

Just remember how long the Titan has been out.
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You asked the question :)

They are both 28nm Cards Greg, they are both cast in the same foundry on the same technology, its simply that Nvidia got there first and decided that warrants a silly price.

My GPU cost a third that of the GTX Titan, the fact that its on par with it outside of a couple of synthetic benchmarks is remarkable, and very pleasing. thats not an insult, its a fact.

Take it or leave it.

Sgt_Pepper said:
Because in a Benchmark thread Value has no meaning, all that matters is the end result. Who has the highest score irrespective of price.
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Depends on who you ask, for me it absolutely is, e-peen if you like is not about having the most expensive card just for the sake of having the most expensive card; i have an entirely different outlook for what that is.
IMO its having the best card for its money, making a smart choice. In that the 290 destroys the GTX Titan, and they were on sale simultaneously.
 
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Hardly uncommon, Intel extreme editions cost a crap load for that extra bit of power but of course if you waited a gen or two you could get similar/better for much cheaper.

Remember, time is money :p
 
Humbug, I think no one is claiming your cards aren't right up there. It's just that you can just show that by the benchmark numbers as you did instead of trying to belittle others for getting higher numbers based on more expensive hardware. By that logic, I got two very expensive cards myself but the time and effort spent in handling these were a lot more than when I was OCing dual 290x cards.
 
No on is claiming that your 290 isn't a good card Humbug, 290's are fantastic cards. Especially if you do start to consider the price you paid.
But just because someone paid £900/£1000 for their card doesn't make it any less of a card.

If you want to make a bang per buck thread , I will happily come and post all the cards I've paid stupidly over the odds for and gracefully accept defeat to the 290 :D
 
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vsg28 said:
Humbug, I think no one is claiming your cards aren't right up there. It's just that you can just show that by the benchmark numbers as you did instead of trying to belittle others for getting higher numbers based on more expensive hardware. By that logic, I got two very expensive cards myself but the time and effort spent in handling these were a lot more than when I was OCing dual 290x cards.
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Hey _Alatar_ talked about Titans, the 7K club locking out 290X. i responded by pointing out how much it cost, _Alatar_ responded by trying to justify its price, i made it clear i didn't agree with that or the very idea that it can be justified........

If we can't have a proper debate then whats the point?
 
I know ^^^ :)
Actually do you what. a proper debate about price is very important, look at how much AMD tried to charge for the FX-9590, idiotic price, also the 7990 was over priced, and look at the Titan-Z.

The price of these things is what should be talked about in these forums, if only people didn't get over sensitive about the subject because they bought one.
 
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