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First GeForce RTX 3080/3070 LHR graphics cards go official

There are cars where the top speed is capped?

If things carry on as they are now, a mining limit on gaming cards and separate mining cards might be the future.

For cars the limit is to adhere to the law or for safety reasons, but for gpu's it's to protect Nvidia's future sales. A pretty big difference.
 
It's like a car manufacturer adding a speed limit to a car they sell. I'm pretty sure most people would never accept such a limit on a car but it seems many people are perfectly happy for Nvidia to control what they do with their gpu's. I certainly wouldn't buy any card with a limit on it.

155mph limit already exists
 
Nvidia are slowly digging themselves in to a pit. Intel is making Gaming GPUs soon.
Yes but Intel has claimed to have a discrete mainstream graphics card around the corner for the last decade. This is absolutely the worst time to try and launch them anyway due to lack of resources to make them.
 
Would never buy a gimped card. I leave my card mining overnight and have already recovered half the cost of my 3080FE in less than 3 months. Why should a manufacturer dictate what a card can or can't do??

You already have.;)

It's like a car manufacturer adding a speed limit to a car they sell. I'm pretty sure most people would never accept such a limit on a car but it seems many people are perfectly happy for Nvidia to control what they do with their gpu's. I certainly wouldn't buy any card with a limit on it.

Cars have had limits differentiating models for years. the L, the GL, GLX for example all come with the same engine but in three different states of tune producing more BHP and therefore capping the top speed. That doesn't even count the interior upgrades on the differnt models.
 
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Yes but Intel has claimed to have a discrete mainstream graphics card around the corner for the last decade. This is absolutely the worst time to try and launch them anyway due to lack of resources to make them.
Except both Nvidia and AMD rely on an external fab company. Intel have their own fab, so they are only restricted by their own production choices and capacities, not a contract.
 
The card I have has no limit to mining. Are you thinking the limit will come into force via a driver???
It's mind boggling to see people actually defend the restricting cards move. Blind followers..

Your card has limited double precision, if you want a card without the limit you would have to buy a quadro.

Of course that doesn't effect you so it gets ignored.

Defending the restriction of cards, I don't believe that I have ever said that please show me where I have?

My opinion, ALL crypto currencies should be banned. Cut off the get rich quick schemers and the world can get back to normal......well normal-ish.
( of course we all know that opinions are like *********(buttholes), everybody has one and very often they are full of **** (excrement).
 
And yes I'm fully aware that my argument is flawed as well, seeing as the hash rate restriction doesn't effect me so I ignore it.

Not that I can buy any new card even if I was in the market for one.
 
Your card has limited double precision, if you want a card without the limit you would have to buy a quadro.

Of course that doesn't effect you so it gets ignored.

Defending the restriction of cards, I don't believe that I have ever said that please show me where I have?

My opinion, ALL crypto currencies should be banned. Cut off the get rich quick schemers and the world can get back to normal......well normal-ish.
( of course we all know that opinions are like *********(buttholes), everybody has one and very often they are full of **** (excrement).

I bought my card for gaming but since mining is all the rage these days I thought I might as well try to recover some money. Working out well so far. I would not be bothered at all once crypto crashes (hopefully).
 
To be absolutely fair, its not the people like yourself that have caused this ridiculous drought of GPU's. Much more the people who buy 10, or 100, 1000 GPU's to set up a get rich quick farm.

How is the electricity usage or are you fortunate to not have to pay the bill yourself?
 
To be absolutely fair, its not the people like yourself that have caused this ridiculous drought of GPU's. Much more the people who buy 10, or 100, 1000 GPU's to set up a get rich quick farm.

How is the electricity usage or are you fortunate to not have to pay the bill yourself?

I only mine at night during the week but usually 24 hours over the weekend if not gaming. Haven't really noticed a major increase in electricity costs. It shows as 200W @ 93.5MH/s tuned with clockpeed at 1035MHz and Vcore of 0.731V. Costs roughly 40p per night so around £12/month but can mine around £110-£140 per month.
 
Except both Nvidia and AMD rely on an external fab company. Intel have their own fab, so they are only restricted by their own production choices and capacities, not a contract.
Both equally good points but can we see them prioritising making these cards? I'd like to see that as it would be nice to have a 3 horse race!
 
There are cars where the top speed is capped?

If things carry on as they are now, a mining limit on gaming cards and separate mining cards might be the future.

I was listening to the radio 2 and someone said that once we have a sizable 5g network setup new cars will be automaticaly speed restricted to the speed limits in coverage areas

and they would be running trials in the next two years
 
The card I have has no limit to mining. Are you thinking the limit will come into force via a driver???
It's mind boggling to see people actually defend the restricting cards move. Blind followers..

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You're reading what you want to believe.

GPU makers have been selling "gimped" cards forever. It's artificial segmentation and amusing to see you think it's new or special just because it happened to something you use.
 
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You're reading what you want to believe.

GPU makers have been selling "gimped" cards forever. It's artificial segmentation and amusing to see you think it's new or special just because it happened to something you use.


Exactly.:)
 
It's like a car manufacturer adding a speed limit to a car they sell. I'm pretty sure most people would never accept such a limit on a car but it seems many people are perfectly happy for Nvidia to control what they do with their gpu's. I certainly wouldn't buy any card with a limit on it.

I mean ford could build all their car's to go 200mph+ easy, however they limit the speed of a 4 door family saloon to a sensible speed as it's not designed for racing. In this metaphor mining is racing, gaming is taking the kids to the school.

Limited by design is still limited...
 
Didn't nVidia basically do the cracking work for the miners by releasing a beta driver that didn't have the lock in-place?

I am not a fan of limiters on specific workloads. Firstly cause I dont think its the manufactures place to dictate what you do with there product, and secondly because I dont think it works.
These things will be worked around.

What if car manufacture stated you could use your car as a taxi? And somehow came up with a way to "block" that? Or you cant use it off-road?

In my eyes the manufacture should build the device and state its intended use. Then they can possibly reject warranty claims for proven misuse. (IE driving off-road all the time and cracking the oil sump in the car example...)

Well you don't have to buy from this specific manufacturer, you can be principled about that stance and buy from another one which hashes at regular speed and then you face a demand for that card from all the miners. Odds are you'd be waiting way longer, or paying way more money to get a piece of kit without that limitation, but for a gaming perspective is functionally the same. I think that's a bit of a silly hill to die on if what you genuinely want is gaming performance only.

If this remains an option, and it free's up more cards for gamers, then it's a good thing IMO. If this was forced upon the entire series I'd have more qualms with it myself, even though I don't do any mining.
 
Well you don't have to buy from this specific manufacturer, you can be principled about that stance and buy from another one which hashes at regular speed and then you face a demand for that card from all the miners. Odds are you'd be waiting way longer, or paying way more money to get a piece of kit without that limitation, but for a gaming perspective is functionally the same. I think that's a bit of a silly hill to die on if what you genuinely want is gaming performance only.

If this remains an option, and it free's up more cards for gamers, then it's a good thing IMO. If this was forced upon the entire series I'd have more qualms with it myself, even though I don't do any mining.

People are always so short sighted. "Well it does not affect me now, so its good".
Thats why my somewhat silly extrapolations where to highlight that if we accept this kind of restrictions on products we buy, at some point it just might be something we DO care about.

Its all academic anyway. Unlike with cars, we have almost no choice. ITs nVidia or AMD or no games.

I admire the optimism from people tho... that think this will actually solve anything.
Remind me again how easy its been to buy RTX 3060s? Oh yea right... those are as hard to buy, and as overpriced as everything else.
 
People are always so short sighted. "Well it does not affect me now, so its good".
Thats why my somewhat silly extrapolations where to highlight that if we accept this kind of restrictions on products we buy, at some point it just might be something we DO care about.

Its all academic anyway. Unlike with cars, we have almost no choice. ITs nVidia or AMD or no games.

I admire the optimism from people tho... that think this will actually solve anything.
Remind me again how easy its been to buy RTX 3060s? Oh yea right... those are as hard to buy, and as overpriced as everything else.

RTX 3060's cost more than double the price on these Scalped auction sites. NVIDIA claimed the 3060 could not mine but they can mine.
 
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