Fly on a rope

Zogger · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:41

cleanbluesky said:
An ant/fly/wasp isn't an animal, it's an insect.

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:42

Zogger said:

well played

wish i'd done that

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:43

Zogger wins, geeza is a hypocrite

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:43

cleanbluesky said:
Zogger wins, geeza is a hypocrite

hurrah for the internet and its infinite wisdom!

G-MAN2004 · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:43

bringerofdecay said:
do you eat meat?

I knew someone would say this. Yes, I sometimes eat meat, I know it is still cruel but they get killed for a purpose. Randomly torturing flies/bees/ants for fun is not a valid purpose in my eyes.

phykell · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:44

geeza said:
Im going to try it soon with wasps because bees are nice and have for a purpose (unlike wasps)

Its fun

It's also cruel and as it happens they *do* have a purpose. They kill and eat other insects such as gnats, house flies and mosquitoes as well as serving as meals for other insects. House flies and mosquitoes are far more of a threat to human health than wasps.

Now suppose you tell us what your function is in the grand scheme of things...

Una · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:47

G-MAN2004 said:
I knew someone would say this. Yes, I sometimes eat meat, I know it is still cruel but they get killed for a purpose. Randomly torturing flies/bees/ants for fun is not a valid purpose in my eyes.

Seems like a valid purpose to me, to derive fun for the individual doing the torturing.

phykell · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:48

Una said:
Seems like a valid purpose to me, to derive fun for the individual doing the torturing.

You're confusing utility with entertainment.

Lysander · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:49

Seems horrid and cruel to me. Grow up.

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:49

G-MAN2004 said:
I knew someone would say this. Yes, I sometimes eat meat, I know it is still cruel but they get killed for a purpose. Randomly torturing flies/bees/ants for fun is not a valid purpose in my eyes.

fair play, i'm a veggie cos i don't like to torture animals at all

yes i avoid battery eggs, and i do have an issue with the way milk is procured these days (cows being in kept in a tat of almost constant pregnancy so that the udders are in milk production all year round etc etc) but tried soya milk and dont like it :rolleyes:

so i try to use organic milk, least they are feed properly and not on steroids

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:50

bringerofdecay said:
hurrah for the internet and its infinite wisdom!

No, no... Huzzah for Zogga. Three cheers...

phykell · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:52

bringerofdecay said:
...tried soya milk and dont like it

O/T but try Asda's own brand, the one sweetened with apple juice. I hated soya milk at first but you just get used to it; I don't really like milk anymore especially on things like cereal which with sweetened soya milk, you can then eat without sugar.

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 20:54

phykell said:
O/T but try Asda's own brand, the one sweetened with apple juice. I hated soya milk at first but you just get used to it; I don't really like milk anymore especially on things like cereal which with sweetened soya milk, you can then eat without sugar.

i dont eat cereal with sugar on anyway love my shredded wheat/cornflakes straight out the box and un-adulterated

D), and ok, thanks for the info, will give it a try

my parents are vegan, so i could probably persuade them to try that brand for a week, they normally buy alpro, and i think it tastes foul

manoz · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:07

bringerofdecay said:
fair play, i'm a veggie cos i don't like to torture animals at all

yes i avoid battery eggs, and i do have an issue with the way milk is procured these days (cows being in kept in a tat of almost constant pregnancy so that the udders are in milk production all year round etc etc) but tried soya milk and dont like it so i try to use organic milk, least they are feed properly and not on steroids

Eat halal or kosher meat(though they aren't even guaranteed to be torture free anymore these days

)

Azagoth · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:11

manoz said:
Eat halal or kosher meat(though they aren't even guaranteed to be torture free anymore these days )

I'm no vegetarian by a long shot, but aren't those two ways slightly more savage than a bolt in the brain?

manoz · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:13

Azagoth said:
I'm no vegetarian by a long shot, but aren't those two ways slightly more savage than a bolt in the brain?

No, complete opposite, animal HAS to be killed by a sharp knife and all four main blood and air ways have to be cut with one stroke. This wouldn't hurt, a bolt and/or boiling would

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:13

manoz said:
Eat halal or kosher meat(though they aren't even guaranteed to be torture free anymore these days )

they were never guaranteed to be torture free, a slit to the throat doesn't mean they die instantly, in fact, i would rather eat non-halal meat, also, kosher just means thats what jews consider edible food, in neither case does it mean they have to be kept in human conditions

manoz said:
No, complete opposite, animal HAS to be killed by a sharp knife and all four main blood and air ways have to be cut with one stroke. This wouldn't hurt, a bolt and/or boiling would

and if they miss? a painful death, and a wasted carcass, as i doubt they would then use the 'unclean' meat

vincent1989 · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:14

--ignore

phykell · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:18

manoz said:
No, complete opposite, animal HAS to be killed by a sharp knife and all four main blood and air ways have to be cut with one stroke. This wouldn't hurt, a bolt and/or boiling would

Utter rubbish. Halal meat should be banned in this country as the slaughtering method is unnecessarily cruel and barbaric.

Una · 15 Apr 2007 at 21:19

Who cares so long as the meat tastes nice. You don't exactly think "Hmm I wonder how this cow was killed" when your tucking into your nice juicy steak.

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