Looking forward to the clash of the moneybags later on (0-0). So how much are both squads worth these days?
**Football 19th-22nd March** 2010/2011
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What do you think I meant?
Bah, the beeb had 1-1 for a moment. I wonder if that was somewhat deliberate. 
Agreed, Carroll has little technical ability as well. Surprise signing for a strange change to a team that, the fans at least, want to be going for the title.
Still, can't assume that every game will go to plan - a back up one of long ball football isn't a bad idea.
Chelsea: £170.17m + William Gallas.
City: 186.5m.
It wouldn't be unfair to say that Gallas was 'worth' around £10m-15m, considering it was he and £5m cash that Chelsea handed over. I remember we were holding out for a valuation of near £25m.
I remember Chelsea having topped over £200m a while back, and had assumed this is still true with Torres and Luiz. However no Drogba or Anelka in that figure.
City have a few home grown players in there as well, though I think their own fans have edited Wiki on their own. Surely Gareth Barry moved for more than £10m. Thought it was nearly double that.
City: 186.5m.
It wouldn't be unfair to say that Gallas was 'worth' around £10m-15m, considering it was he and £5m cash that Chelsea handed over. I remember we were holding out for a valuation of near £25m.
I remember Chelsea having topped over £200m a while back, and had assumed this is still true with Torres and Luiz. However no Drogba or Anelka in that figure.
City have a few home grown players in there as well, though I think their own fans have edited Wiki on their own. Surely Gareth Barry moved for more than £10m. Thought it was nearly double that.
That's slightly bending it. Ignoring whatever went on with Benfica, he then went on to União de Leiria, where he finished 5th, just 2 seasons after they got to 6th.
If he'd won for a minor Portugese club by all means it could be said his league titles and Euro Cup were done without money. But he did the league with Porto. That side, along with Benfica and Sporting Lisbon make up the big 3 in Portugal. Their spending power etc. far outweighs the competition, a bit like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland or Real and Barca in Spain.
Then onto Chelsea where he already had a very expensive squad and added to it.
Inter next, and because of the match fixing scandal that for all intents and purposes removed Milan and Juventus, the same applies again. Also, there too, he splashed the cash.
Real Madrid has more money than the competition. More than Barca, but it so happens that the latter is going through a freak period. Take away Messi though, somebody who he can't buy then he has a chance. He may win a Euro Cup if he can avoid them, but he won't win La Liga at least for another couple of years just simply because, as things look, there isn't anybody else I can think of to buy.
He's good, but I'd say his real talent is knowing when/where to move or making the best out of already very favourable circumstances.
No I don't.
Sure the concept that if a guy goes everywhere and is successful, you'd surely attribute that to him. I don't care for minor things or niggles you've pointed out above.
But these aren't minor things, I'm not scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Look at the reasons above, they're very strong cases for all of the sides he's won trophies for.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not moaning or calling it lucky, I'm saying at some point it has to be said that he's very smart career wise.
You do realise City is a bad example because they're the second side who have acted like they have bottom less pockets? There's Chelsea as well, which of course means they don't necessarily have more money than the rest of the competition. Give it a season and Liverpool too will be making very expensive signings so make that three.
You've also negated to appreciate the time it takes to put together a squad. City aren't Chelsea with a ready assembled one, one that would have won the league with Ranieri had it not been for the Arsenal invincibles season. The Mancs were a lower to mid table side at best before hand.
City aren't in the Champions League (yet). Give it a few seasons and they will win trophies as they can start to attract players (remember Kaka?).
But the point I've carried all the way through is in bold.
Bingo, and for every club that Mourhino has been at and won, there has been more money than the competition.
It's no surprise too that if you look at the clubs he's been at, bar Chelsea, they won trophies recently before his tenures - and continued to do so afterwards.
As said, a good manager, but his best ability is knowing when/where to go.
If he returned to England and won with United, against City, Chelsea (and Liverpool?) it'd be impressive as that doesn't completely fit with his history of Chelsea, Inter - maybe Porto and we'll see about Real. But if he returned to England and won with Arsenal, I'd eat my hat.
Yes, and Porto did so very recently before hand, and very recently after he left. He managed them partly during a great spell in their history.
Chelsea would have won more bar the freaks of the invincibles and then Ronaldo. No surprise that they won the double as soon as he left. To be fair as well Grant was only a penalty shoot out away from a CL but only stayed for a year.
Rafa - Don't be daft, he didn't even stay for a full season, yet still got a World Club Championship. He asked for financial backing and then was fired /resigned. Yet Mourhino spent E45.4m before his first season had even started at Inter, and in his first for Real will more than likely end up trophy less.
Which ever way you look at it, the coincidence isn't that he's picked up lots of trophies, but his ability to pick jobs where factors are already heavily in his favour. Had he stayed at Chelsea and won through the Ronaldo years, or stayed with Inter and won against stronger domestic competition I'd be thinking very differently.
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Where did I say that he was better than him. It's puzzling why you even used Rafa as an example considering, as I'm sure you know, he stayed only for a few months.
Unless you ditch the FA Cup for it. 
Edit - right competition?
I didn't, you brought him up.
Aye, a pretty minor point as said above.
Edit - right competition?
I didn't, you brought him up.
Aye, a pretty minor point as said above.
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I didn't say you did.
He seems (probably quite rightly) about pulling a hamstring again.
Which begs to differ he didn't have those problems in his early Liverpool career, or in Spain. So is this due to e.g. a poor warm up or something?
Which begs to differ he didn't have those problems in his early Liverpool career, or in Spain. So is this due to e.g. a poor warm up or something?
Well as long as he showed remorse. That makes it ok.
Thank god he's not got a history of doing such things or continued to be a bit of a troglodyte afterwards.
It's people like Cesc Fabregas and his 'nasty' side of the game that are far more disruptive to their fellow professionals.
Thank god he's not got a history of doing such things or continued to be a bit of a troglodyte afterwards.
It's people like Cesc Fabregas and his 'nasty' side of the game that are far more disruptive to their fellow professionals.
Aye, I thought you were. It was the evidence side of things that I was really looking at.
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