Football Banter Thread

Being able to play with better players didnt realy help the other bright young things that moved to City or Chelsea in recent times did it? It pretty much stunted their development so much that they ended up moving to the likes of Sunderland etc.

I think you're being disingenuous comparing Sterling to Rodwell, Johnson or Sinclair. Sterling is a significantly better player than those three. Rodwell had played for England twice by the age of 21 when he made his move to Man City, whereas Sterling, at 20 years old has 16 England caps and is an important first team regular for England. If you're referring to Adam Johnson, he hadn't played for England by the time Man City signed him.

I think Sterling has excellent potential, and would be used frequently by a side like Man City. There's no indication that they'd sign him and whack him on the bench, with their recruitment this summer highlighting that they need homegrown players who can add quality to their squad rather than make up the numbers. Also, where would the value be in paying him £150,000 to sit on the bench? There's much better value in the homegrown market if they just want to make up the numbers.
 
You cant compare Sterling in his development with Ronaldo and Fabregas when they moved as they were all A) younger and B) nowhere near as far along in their development. Being able to play with better players didnt realy help the other bright young things that moved to City or Chelsea in recent times did it? It pretty much stunted their development so much that they ended up moving to the likes of Sunderland etc.

If your going to compare him to someone I suppose it would be Hazard, but he was moving to a Chelsea who didnt really have anyone comparable already on the books (the same as those above). All the teams currently that would be able to offer him the kind of money he wants have someone better in his position(s).

Who says Sterling is further along in development, I think both Fabregas and Ronaldo were better in their first seasons with Arsenal/Utd than Sterling has reached with Liverpool.

Second, you can't go player A went to club B and failed thus every young player will. Sinclair, Rodwell were both drastically over rated, didn't produce anything like what Sterling has already and were most likely bought for different reasons.

There are good players with potential teams buy hoping to get into the first team and teams that are deemed maybe good enough to fill up some home grown slots. Sinclair never looked like anything but a squad filler and for me neither did Rodwell. Rodwell looked to have more potential but the main reason he went no where with City was he spent what 3 years basically constantly injured and unable to play, had he not been a sicknote during those years maybe he would have developed further.

How many players went to Liverpool thinking they'd be developed and become great first team players, just as many who went to other clubs. Is the fact that dozens of players who have potential went to Liverpool and failed a reason why no other players should ever go to LIverpool because the same MIGHT happen to them?

Everything is a risk but money is money and a contract is a contract. He could break a leg, do his ACL and not play for 4 years but be on 100k a week at LIverpool or 200k a week at City.

As for all the teams who are interested have better players in his position, I don't believe that either. City don't have really any quality wide players. Nasri, Silva when wide aren't good on the wings, don't have pace and don't beat players for the most part. Navas has pace but no final ball. City for me have no one even close to the quality of Sterling in his position. Chelsea, Hazard sure, same position other side, haven't seen any sign of Cuardrado being good and Willian isn't particularly good.

Anyway as said, the best players don't fear not being played, training, coaches and playing with better players and against better teams are just as useful to development as playing.

There is no right or wrong about what the best choice is, the only certainty in football is a contract and how much it's worth.
 
The Navas part sounds and looks lot like Sterling for me, looks very good in the MotD highlights but you dont see that bad things he does. His decision making is hit and miss, cant strike a ball very well. You've moaned about Walcotts end product enough DM, but if you were to watch Sterling you would be pulling your hair out just as much.

I think part of the problem (for me) is that Sterling was expected to step up and be our match winner (which I dont think he has in his locker, some of that could be atributed to Rodgers and his square pegs/round hole approach to the season however), and he has never looked like delivering. He will look very good in a team of match winners but you cant rely on him to be one and for 50 million thats what you expect to be buying imo.
 
he has never looked like delivering. He will look very good in a team of match winners but you cant rely on him to be one and for 50 million thats what you expect to be buying imo.

Bit of an overstatement for one of the most promising young players in Europe. Your second statement is why he probably would fit into a Man City side. They've finished in the top two for five years running and won the title twice - they are match winners.

In team with Aguero, Silva, Toure, etc. Sterling doesn't need to be the match winner, he just needs to contribute. In a Liverpool side, he would be expected to play a much more prominent role.
 
Except he has never looked like being a 'match winner' this season so how is it an overstatement?

Which is why if Man City were to thow 50 million at him they would be extremely stupid, and we should bite their hands off (I expect them too aswell).
 
Except he has never looked like being a 'match winner' this season so how is it an overstatement?

I think you're over-generalising there. Last season he scored 8 and assisted 8. Of his 8 scored, 6 of them were in winning matches. Of his 8 assists, 6 were in winning matches. This is also in a Liverpool side who struggled all season, and whose forwards could barely score!

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The Navas part sounds and looks lot like Sterling for me, looks very good in the MotD highlights but you dont see that bad things he does. His decision making is hit and miss, cant strike a ball very well. You've moaned about Walcotts end product enough DM, but if you were to watch Sterling you would be pulling your hair out just as much.

I think part of the problem (for me) is that Sterling was expected to step up and be our match winner (which I dont think he has in his locker, some of that could be atributed to Rodgers and his square pegs/round hole approach to the season however), and he has never looked like delivering. He will look very good in a team of match winners but you cant rely on him to be one and for 50 million thats what you expect to be buying imo.

For one thing I don't watch MOTD because it's completely misleading coupled with awful awful commentary/pundit crap.

I know precisely how problematic Sterling is in end product and how you judge players is on how often they screw up and the quality on show when they don't, then it's up to everyone to decide if they think they are good or not. I was one of the few saying he was overly wasteful. I think he was over rated by a mile and now under rated by those who frankly have a vested interest in saying/believing so.

Sterling's end product is nothing remotely close to as bad as Walcott and I've watched them both plenty for full games. Walcott is almost worthless when not played in behind the defence. I can count on one hand the number of times he's actually played around even a single player then shot and scored. 99 % of his goals or assists come from being played in behind the defence.

Sterling's biggest talent as yet is his ability to on the wing run past players. Beating players on the wing Sterling is in an entirely different class from the likes of Walcott, Navas, Nasri. It's something Sterling does frequently and Walcott doesn't do at all. Navas can beat players on pace if it's a straight race but using trickery or great passing to play around players he's near worthless. Good on the counter into open space but fairly useless trying to beat players on skill.

Nasri is skillful and I like him but his shooting simply isn't good enough on average and he doesn't have the pace or acceleration to play well in a wide role, Sterling is easily by a mile the better winger and centrally Nasri isn't enough of a threat to warrant a no.10 Oscar or deeper Fabregas type role.

The one thing City have lacked for 5 years now is genuine pace down the wing coupled with the ability to beat players. When they look crap up front which is frequently it's because they get very little support from their wide players. Before Navas they had no one who could catch up to a counter attack, since Navas they either play wide left with no pace or wide right with no quality. Sterling would walk into a starting spot at City and he's significantly better as a winger than many of the wingers at top clubs today.
 
What DM says is exactly what I've had to endure watching City this season. Seems silly whinging about watching the team as it is now when looking back at where we were a decade ago.

The fact is though, this season has been tremendously frustrating to watch as a fan. There has been a lack of invention and plan B when teams shut up shop. Too often we have been laboured going forward and afraid to go past a player. Only once the title was sealed did we start playing counter attacking football and with more freedom. I'd much rather it be 45-55% possession with quick counter attacks, than the 65-75% possession, slow going forward and struggling to get a shot away as it ended up being all too often this season.

I quite like Nasri as he is willing to go past a player, when the opposition have players behind the ball, he just lacks pace now and isn't going to get any quicker.

AS DM says, I think Sterling offers something different to what City have in their squad at the moment and I would say Nasri is the closest comparison. Sure, Sterling might not be the first name on the team sheet, but he would be an important squad player for the club IMO.

Do I think he is worth £50m, hell no.
 
Sterlings goals/assists arent that impressive, firstly he was the forward for us that racked up the most minutes I believe and secondly Henderson posted a similar return from CM/being Gerrards nursemaid.


Personally, I think he is much better centrally, as a winger or wide forward in a 3 he will run into blind alleys or cut inside and eventually lose it. I dont think he will see his career out on the wing.
 
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