Football in Manchester

Yep, that £6000 went a long way!

I firmly believe that it is the responsibilty of all clubs to look out for their peers when they're in trouble. How many kids want to grow up to be footballers? They can't all play for Man Utd you know so it's handy that we have probably the largest number of professional and semi-professional clubs where those with the talent can go to and be able to earn a little bit of money for their trouble.

If players wages were taxed by 0.1% and that money put into a central fund then Hyde, who were keen to avoid the admin route and actually pay their debt would be able to call on some readily available assistance to help prevent being wound up.
 
OK then, a different angle. Instead of expecting other clubs or players to help, how about the local people supporting their local team? Or is Manchester United in the blood of those Essex boys who go to Old Trafford every other week and unfurl their "Chelmsford Reds" banner?
 
Shamikebab said:
Good grief it seems like every one of your threads is complaining how a minnow club has gone out of business because the big clubs haven't paid all their bills.
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Whats wrong with that? I'm heavily involved with my club and would be devasted to see them go out of business, just as my peers at Hyde have done today.
 
And they do.

It seems to me that this is a country of football lovers who are football snobs. How many people are devoted to the big four clubs in the Premiership yet wouldn't dream of putting money over the turnstiles at the team down the road because they're "crap", even though they've never seen them play!

A wiser man than me said last night at a book launch I attended for my local football club that we are allowed to have our fantasy teams as well as supporting our local clubs too. I wish more people would see the light.
 
Cos people don't support their fantasy club thats why. How many people on this forum watch the teams that they support home and away? I can count the number of games that I've missed in the past five years on two hands, you tell me I utter crap but at least I put my money where my mouth is and get involved.

R.I.P. Hyde United
 
Pointless? Grass Roots? What do you think this is, sunday league played in a park? If you played for nothing then you didn't play at any kind of level worth watching.

I can guarantee to you that when I saw Hyde play a few weeks ago they played some superb football, not "head tennis".
 
Linoge said:
Most of the regulars here in Sports Arena do support their local team in some form. Expecting everyone to follow their local team and watch them every weekend when sport in general especially football is about being passionate for a team. If I don't have any passion for a local team I won't be watching them, I won't be buying tickets every weekend to watch a team I don't care about. And I certainly wouldn't be spending money that I could put to better use. And should the day ever arise where I feel passionate about a local team depending on where I'm living I certainly won't be taking any moral high ground as you do every time you bring this debate up.
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I've never said that anyone here should go week in or week out but if all these football fans were to go and support their local club three or four times a season then the game would be so much better off for it.

I may sound like a broken record, but hey, in all the time I've been playing it I doubt any of you have actually taken the slightest interest in their local team.
 
[Cas];14962924 said:
I support Sheffield United, I follow Arsenal, and I watch Hallam FC when I can. Ever heard of them? Do I beat you in the obscure team snobbery award?
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I've heard of Hallam. Although mainly because we used to have a player with the same name, not because of the team.

What league are they in? We've got a decent young midfielder who's just started back at Uni in Sheffield who's going to be available for our games in that neck of the woods but could do with some match practice at a decent standard.

And good on you for giving a bit back.
 
Sagalout said:
I go to watch and support a Conference North team (Harrogate) and can see both sides. The problem is theres been a switch in society. Fans these days would rather watch Man U in a pub on Sky Sports than poorer quality football at the likes of Hyde. Its sad, but thats just life. Whats killing football is the fact that all the cash coming into the game at every level is going straight into the players pockets. Premier league clubs can cope, as we live in a world where advertising is king these days, and brings in far more cash than the turnstiles, but slip just a couple of leagues and sponsorship becomes almost negligible.

Harrogate are struggling to the point that they sold pretty much their entire first team and have gone from habitual play off contendors to 20th in the league with whats essentially a Unibond squad, as the wage demands of even average Conference North players are just not substainable. But at least the bills are paid so there will still be a club to support. It seems a lot of other clubs stuck their heads in the sand and hoped HMRC would go away - sadly they never do.
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Sadly, I fear that Harrogate will be one of the three games that I'm likely to miss. I know exactly what you're saying regarding the costs of success and believe me, Harrogate are doing the right thing. We came very close to getting wound up by the HMRC a decade ago and it won't be allowed happen again. It seems that Hyde won't be the last club to be their victims as they seem to be clamping down, however they've suffered through their own honesty and refusal to be taken into administration from what I can gather.
 
Rich_L said:
Most of the fans which the big clubs generate the revenue from, I doubt care enough about football to go out in the freezing weather to pitches with no facilities or cover to watch football being played in the mud at a poor standard - if they didn't have the convenience of being able to watch and support whatever team by access through TV and global shirt sales etc, they'd probably watch some other sport that is equally accessible.

Even so, football does seem to have a somewhat over-inflated sense of self-importance about it, I imagine driven by the media coverage etc - i.e. the World Cup final was watched by a (pretty impressive) 15 million odd people in the UK. Impressive viewing figures you might think, but then that's 45 million people who didn't bother watching it...
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Rich, the level of football that I'm trying to highlight simply doesn't have "no facilities". Clubs are forced to provide increasingly more seats and cover the nearer that they get to the Conference else they find themselves getting relegated. I do however understand your point about the type of person who will go and watch a game rather than sit in front of the TV. Personally I can't stay glued to TV football, I'll get bored and turn over but thats just me.

Sadly, our meagre crowds suffer on those freezing nights because it seems that every week during the winter theres Champions League football live on tuesdays and wednesdays which people who refer to Barcelona FC as "Barca" will always watch.
 
What kind of wages do you think clubs at this level pay out then?

As for Hyde's problems they stem from not paying their tax whilst a previous regime employed expensive ex-pro's on two year contracts, whilst the money man who signed them left after a year.
 
Linoge said:
I think it's time to change the record tbh. You're trying to make a semi valid point but you're being a bit sardonic about it.
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What should I change the record to then? I notice you have a reference to Manchester United in your signature. Do you live nearer to Hyde or Hythe?
 
Visionary said:
It doesn't matter how high the wages are. If you can't pay them stop signing players who want money and get some local lads to play for free. What's the different between Shefffield Wednesday trying to pay extortionate wages to get in the PL and Hallam FC doing the same to get in the next league? One is allowed because its all part of grassroots footy and they've never been on the telly?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at in your last sentence, Hallam are at step 9 and I doubt they pay players more than £25 a game if they pay them at all.

If Sheffield Wednesday went pop, and they've had their share of troubles from what I've read then people would sit up and take notice because they've heard of them. Hyde United on the other hand? Well, ignorance is bliss....
 
Linoge said:
On a serious note I live closer to Hyde between the two, but closer to Old Trafford than both of them.
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In that case, if it hadn't been for my broken record playing, being local to Hyde would you have known about their troubles?

It seems that they need to guarantee £35k by monday, although they also need to prove to the high court that they are sufficiently solvent to continue to trade. What chance local boy Ricky Hatton helping out?
 
If they are unable to turn around the winding up order they will look to restart next season at probably the same level as Hallam FC or slighlty higher. They can use their current ground as it's council owned and not owned by the club but as for the players I think you're extremely niave as to the standard of footballer required to compete even at step 9 and certainly laughably wide of the mark to consider that for step 6 (BS North!)
 
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