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[Cas];14989581 said:
I know very little. But what I do know is, that they cannot afford to function as a business/football club. Therefore, they shouldn't.

I don't see how anything else affects it? If Sheffield United were to be in the same financial situation, I would try and help, if possible - But I wouldn't expect others to, as it was the clubs fault in the first place. How is this not the same for Hyde? Ohh wait, it is.
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As is usually the case a previous administration spent beyond their means and failed to ensure that creditors were paid at the time. Those guys disappeared leaving the people that were left to pick up the tab.

Do these guys deserve no sympathy whatsoever?
 
jakeke said:
There's Arsenal and Man City (according to some league I saw)
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I'd beg to differ. Both clubs are surely heavily subsidised by rich backers at the club. I'd be very surprised if any of the successful Premiership clubs were able to sustain themselves with money that they generated themselves.
 
Tummy said:
Jeff stop been bitter.

Hyde United are going to go under at this rate, nothing less then they deserve for been ran like ****. Football is a business now, the game has evolved. If you can't keep the club a float, you don't deserve to be running.

Many other football clubs, in a similar position, in lower league and the higher leagues aren't doing too badly, they're ran much better then Hyde.

Personally, I don't give a ****.
Hyde United, have nobody else to blame but themselves, and to ask other football clubs for help is pathetic.

You are continually making yourself out to look a fool, your ranting about been more of a fan and all that gibberish.
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Very emotive post there Tummy bordering on personal insults. Not many facts though.
 
The word "fool", there's no need to take that tone. I have an opinion and I'm just expressing it.

Besides [Cas], with Hyde, they've tried to pay off their debt the honourable way and have ended up in this mess. It's sad, imagine if the team that you supported week in, week out were suddenly not playing any more. That would leave a big hole in your weekend!

It's pretty much down to the supporters now to try to raise enough money to be able to return to the High Court and pay off their tax debt in full plus they have to prove that the club is solvent and can run itself. They're desperate and they have until tomorrow to raise the funds that they need. Ricky Hatton has been quoted as saying that he'd like to help but as yet hasn't contributed, he's from Hyde.

Believe it or not, all supporters of different clubs don't hate each other!
 
You not expecting other fans from other clubs to get involved during another teams hour of need.

My club get loads of help from outlying football clubs when we got flooded out of our ground, although it was those closest to us that offered little or nothing. That, however, is a different story!
 
jakeke said:
Is that any surprise? Why would I pay to watch players who aren't even that much better than me? I could probably put in a year or two of hard work and be playing in that team.
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That is an absolutely common misconception.

Now admittedly I don't know you but I'll be prepared to bet that the only way you'd get in a team at a decent level of non-league football is if there was a plague that wiped out 90% of the population.

There are some very talented footballers outside the football league you know.
 
Hyde won't be last, these figures are from Chester City
Chester City Football Club (2004) Ltd
Profit and Loss Account

2009/10
Forecast
£
INCOME
FL Parachute £215,500.00
Gate Income £170,090.00
Season Tickets £46,212.00
Cup Ties (Net) £7,500.00
Friendlies (Net)
Commercial £107,895.00
LFE Academy Fees (Scholars) £38,610.00
Transfer Fees
Player Loans
Premier League 'Gift' £30,000.00
Conference League Income £15,000.00
(Assumes no TV deal)
Programmes £15,406.00
Car Park Income £3,562.00

TOTAL INCOME £649,775.00

EXPENDITURE
Pay and NI:
Playing Squad / Loans In £597,358.00
YT Scholars £54,080.00
Football Management and Support £119,076.00
Permanent Staff £117,317.00
Football Overheads £101,600.00
YT Scholars' Overheads £23,000.00
Football in the Community
Transfer Fees
Matchday Costs - HOME £60,419.00
Matchday Costs - AWAY £28,613.00
Cost of Sales:
Commercial £36,710.00
Programmes £19,550.00
Bad Debts Provision
Media and Website £1,800.00
General Overheads £135,769.00
Depreciation £14,500.00

TOTAL EXPENDITURE £1,309,792.00

Interest Receivable / (Payable)

PROFIT / (LOSS) BEFORE TAX £660,017.00


Other exclusions from above:
Football Creditors to be established
Paul Taylor Litigation - £3,082 offered for 1.9.08 - 6.10.08. Vauxhall looking for payment to xx.1.09
Transfer Fees: Potential income for Jon Walters: 20% of fee less £150k
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G|mp said:
Awaits thread:

OMGZ Chester are in trouble, maybe Stoke, Man Utd, City and Liverpool should bail them out!!11!1!one!

The well run ******** !
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Even though you're being sarcastic, for anyone that might be interested (anyone?) you'll see very little sympathy for Chester if they find themselves in the same position.
 
jakeke said:
You have to wonder, the club's entire income is £650k and they're spending £600k on players wages alone, how dumb can you possibly be :(
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They aren't dumb there though, the club is owned by shysters who unlike Hyde wouldn't miss a minutes sleep if they went bust and were unable to pay off creditors.
 
Tummy said:
You can watch Wednesday for £20 quid, in fact you can probably get a lot better standard of football for not much more money :o
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Yes Tummy, you're right, this is a downside but then clubs at our level see gate money as probably the number one income stream, they don't have huge sponsorship deals or TV money to offset the costs. Thats the reason why, I think it's Blackburn are able to offer ridiculously cheap season tickets.

Out of interest, how much would you say was reasonable to charge to watch Blue Square North football?
 
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