Football Rule(s) question
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It probably falls under unsporting behaviour, since shouting leave it could be seen as an attempt to trick the opponent. Basically any generic call where no indication of who is shouting could be seen as this. I'd expect there to be a certain amount of discretion on the refs side as well.
Soldato
just the same as a stepover in my eyes!
Might as well add feigning injury while you're at it.
Soldato
Ay thats another comparison.
Stepover as they deceive opponents, feigning because its unsportsmanlike.
Stepover as they deceive opponents, feigning because its unsportsmanlike.
Man of Honour
How does that work? Should players only be allowed to run in straight lines?
Feigning injury works as a comparison, stepovers certainly don't.
Soldato
Stepovers are an attempt to trick an opponent*
In my eyes I dont see the problem with 'MINE' etc, but thats because I believe the game should have a psychological aspect to it.
Yes, with skill. That's the difference.
Where's the skill in calling out to make the defender think twice for that split second, possibly leave it because he thinks you're covering for him, when infact you're an opposing attacker looking to gain from the mistake you just caused? Obviously not every incident will be someone trying to gain an advantage, but they can still be percieved in the same way (And often were). I've even seen one of our strikers pulled up when he actually called his name, he shouted Lee's but the ref obviously thought he shouted 'leave'. (Amazingly enough that is genuinely true and not just something I've made up to back myself up
).It's a pretty straight forward rule and for me there's a clear definition between trickery as part of the game itself and unsporting behavious such as this.
Soldato
Can be argued its skill shouting leave, as a team you should know what each other sound like etc, and be on the ball(pun!) enough to have an idea whos covering you and where about any of the other team are around you - a spacial awareness.
Stepover is a skill which exploits often slower opponents with speed and trickery, People like ronaldo play the psychological game, I cant see how this is any different really.
If I should leave and bang a goal in because a defenders left it for me thinking I was one of his team I cant see the problem, because iv got one up on him, just like if Iv done a stepover and megged him, psych'd him out.
Guess its just our different ways of seeing the game, I believe psych-outs should be a part of the game.
Look at ronaldo's penaltys, he does too.
Stepover is a skill which exploits often slower opponents with speed and trickery, People like ronaldo play the psychological game, I cant see how this is any different really.
If I should leave and bang a goal in because a defenders left it for me thinking I was one of his team I cant see the problem, because iv got one up on him, just like if Iv done a stepover and megged him, psych'd him out.
Guess its just our different ways of seeing the game, I believe psych-outs should be a part of the game.
Look at ronaldo's penaltys, he does too.
Man of Honour
Shouting 'leave it' to the opposition isn't anything to do with skill. It is deception and can't be viewed in any other way.
Soldato
Are you in possession of the ball even when you haven't touched it though? I agree that shepherding should be allowed but not to the extent that it is now. E.g. Moving around the ball blocking without playing the ball.
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Soldato
Well it CAN be classed as 'unsportsmanlike conduct', but is it listed officially anywhere under that section? We're talking about neither I think, since its all interpritation of rules, so I think that SHOULD be the rule in all games, and it shouldnt be penalised, atleast thats how I play, but the actual rules do not clearly stipulate whether it is infact legal or illegal?
Man of Honour
Well whatever, it is cheating and I'm glad it isn't allowed. It would very much be to the detriment of the game.
Soldato
Dummys are deception, stepovers are deception.
They are all about as skillfull as each other, and a decent player should have spacial awareness to know whos shouting it.
Think we'll have to agree to disagree with it, its just one of those things.
Its a psych-out, just like Ronaldo running up and stalling during his penaltys, and Grobelaar/Dudek's jelly legs.
It would fall under a blanket rule, but I did say I would expect there to be a certain amount of discretion from the refs.
Anyway, I've played enough games in my time to see it pretty widely enforced.
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Man of Honour
No, I won't agree to disagree on it. You're wrong.
The halting during penalty run-ups wasn't allowed at one time. That should have been kept, but Ronaldo is suffering from using it. Keepers have got wise to him (or he's just a poor penalty taker).
The halting during penalty run-ups wasn't allowed at one time. That should have been kept, but Ronaldo is suffering from using it. Keepers have got wise to him (or he's just a poor penalty taker).
It's a bit silly that there would be any type of rule against it. Players shout a lot worse than that during games and if someone falls for it, then it's bigger fool them.
The best example of something similar I can think of was Barthez against West Ham, when he pretended that Di Canio was offside.
It didn't work as Di Canio was wise to it (as you have to be) but had he pulled it off, it would have been extremely clever.
The best example of something similar I can think of was Barthez against West Ham, when he pretended that Di Canio was offside.
It didn't work as Di Canio was wise to it (as you have to be) but had he pulled it off, it would have been extremely clever.
Soldato
See below.
It's a tricky one I suppose. I think you can be in possession without having touched the ball. When you're already "on the ball" I see no problem with shielding it with your body from someone else. If you were to arrive at the ball at the same time as an opponent and actively cut them off without attempting to play the ball then I'd see it as obstruction.
Soldato
shepherding is fine tbh, its the more muscley/bigger players using their physical attributes, saying you aint aloud to shepherd would mean defenders get skinned none stop by faster forwards, and it ends up being a case of everyone in a team must be lightning fast.