Football SPOILERS 11/12 April

Tevez circa 1600 minutes on the pitch, 3 goals, 2 assists, Berbatov around 2200 minutes on the pitch 8 goals, 9 assists. Can't be bothered to work it out exactly but Berbatov with what, about 50% more time on the pitch has almost 3 times as many goals and almost 5 times as many assists. Yup Tevez is a huge danger.
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Lets have a look at last season before Fergie totally destroyed Tevez as a player with the purchase and persistent playing of Berbatov.

The Wayne Rooney - Carlos Tevez set up, scored 27 goals between them, the Berbatov- Keane set up scored 30.
Berbatov scored one more league goal then than Tevez, Rooney scored 12 but had at least 2 extended lay offs with injuries.

What Ferguson has bought this season is less goals scored across the whole of the front line (so far) that includes Ronaldo.

Berbatov playing has broken up what was the most devastating attack in Europe, nobody could live with Tevez Rooney and Ronaldo, the pace, the interplay the goal scoring.
Now what we have is one dimensional, one paced lethargy when he plays, and a disjointed mess when he doesn't, as Tevez confidence is through the floor.
 
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I'd take Berbatov back at Spurs in a flash.... would £15m be ok? ;)

Martin O'Neil has no one to blame but himself for Villa's slump. Any manager deserves what he gets paying for and then playing Heskey tbh, he really isn't very good at all.

he's hopeless, I hate this idea that if you get a big guy he'll win headers. Carew shows the difference in class between himself and Heskey, he wins more headers, but he directs them, with Heskey its just randomly smacking him in the head occasionally one goes somewhere useful, most don't, the good ones aren't well played, just lucky. Carew consistantly heads a ball down to a useful area, he's far more aware of whose around him, he's far more capable on the ball shooting, holding it up, reading the game, passing it, and he consistantly scores headers rather than blasting them over an open goal like Heskey.

bigman/little man combo is fine, infact it can work well but only when its both good players, you can't just buy a big man who throws his weight about, he needs to be a quality player aswell. Hasn't Carew already scored more than Heskey in his two games back, not to mention his fantastic early season form. Brucie must be laughing that he managed to get any money for Heskey. How Heskey gets called up for England on the back of apparently, 4 goals and 2 assists playing almost every game this year so far I'll never know. lol his only contribution against a top half team was an assist against West Ham, in the first game of the year when West Ham were completely different to who they are now. his other assist and goals all came against bottom 6 clubs.
 
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?????

Lets have a look at last season before Fergie totally destroyed Tevez as a player with the purchase and persistent playing of Berbatov.

The Wayne Rooney - Carlos Tevez set up, scored 27 goals between them, the Berbatov- Keane set up scored 30.
Berbatov scored one more league goal then than Tevez, Rooney scored 12 but had at least 2 extended lay offs with injuries.

What Ferguson has bought this season is less goals scored across the whole of the front line (so far) that includes Ronaldo.

Berbatov playing has broken up what was the most devastating attack in Europe, nobody could live with Tevez Rooney and Ronaldo, the pace, the interplay the goal scoring.
Now what we have is one dimensional, one paced lethargy when he plays, and a disjointed mess when he doesn't, as Tevez confidence is through the floor.

incorrect, no one could play against RONALDO, Rooney wasn't half bad, but for me Rooney is a much better player this year, Tevez was a hanger on last year and same this year.

Your midfield is wholly worse this year, Scholes, Giggs, Nani, Fletcher, the midfield 4 Ronaldo included have been playing worse this year, considering they make your chances thats the reason for not scoring, not Berbatov, recently its Carricks inability to pass, aswell as Scholes who finally had a good game this weekend.

As for Berbatov, he had twice Tevez's assists last year aswell as one more goal, in a MUCH MUCH WORSE TEAM.

The only difference is this, Berbatov has been bought in as a up top striker, when really he's a goal creator/late arriver into the box who wants a Keane infront of him. Realistically Fergie needs to play Rooney as a upfront player who stays up the pitch. In reality the midfield has been subpar this year, the left wing has been pretty dire especially lately so Rooney's been deployed on the left. If Giggs wasn't pass it and Nani wasn't so ineffective you could play a proper 4-4-2, which is what Berbatov needs and would make Rooney score a hell of a lot more.

Man U really need to get back to a proper 4-4-2 but to do so really need truly quality replacements for the likes of Giggs and Scholes.

EDIT:_ Tevez has started 9 of the last 12 games, only missing one, he's scored one and set up one, in a 5-0 drubbing of West Brom and the assist against BW, other than that, no goals or assists. Its also in that run that Man U have sucked, before that the so called Berbatov/Rooney combo that sucks was powering you towards a possible quadruple with no worries in any competition, its ONLY since tevez has been played consistantly that Man U's form has sucked.
 
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Heskey doesn't even use his weight... apart from when throwing it to the floor.

yup, another one to add to the "goes to england camp and comes back a pathetic diving excuse for a player". Again since his reintroduction you're right, he doesn't even bother trying to outmuscle players he backs in then flops over when the header comes in. he is truly useless, and more worryingly for me is Capello/england and the idea we could win it when he's calling up people like Heskey over Young, Gabby, Owen, hell even Beattie is showing he's a class above Heskey.
 
What the hell are you on about? Heskey was well reknowned for his falling over antics long before he got introduced to the England setup, even the first time. He doesn't dive he just has no balance. You honestly think Gerard, Owen and Beckham didnt dive before they started playing under Sven??? You really do spout some rubbish.

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Why do i even read them, my own fault really.
 
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Not exactly on topic; But what the hell was that booking to Becchio for? He was the one that got fouled, and then booked? :/

He got booked for reacting and kicking out at the defender, he's lucky not to get sent off for that, seen it happen before. I just hope dirty Leeds can do us a favour and beat Leicester, we'll have the beating of Millwall tonight.
 
He got booked for reacting and kicking out at the defender, he's lucky not to get sent off for that, seen it happen before. I just hope dirty Leeds can do us a favour and beat Leicester, we'll have the beating of Millwall tonight.

So how come brown didn't get booked? He pretty much laid on top of him.


Read that any way you will.
 
[Cas];13872325 said:
So how come brown didn't get booked? He pretty much laid on top of him.


Read that any way you will.

Brown ended up on top of Becchio because Becchio was using his body to lay on the ball and obstruct Brown from getting to the ball, so in an attempt to play the ball he tripped over his leg and landed on top of him, the free kick went to Leicester as you cant kill the ball and play by laying on the ball.
 
?????

Lets have a look at last season before Fergie totally destroyed Tevez as a player with the purchase and persistent playing of Berbatov.

The Wayne Rooney - Carlos Tevez set up, scored 27 goals between them, the Berbatov- Keane set up scored 30.
Berbatov scored one more league goal then than Tevez, Rooney scored 12 but had at least 2 extended lay offs with injuries.

What Ferguson has bought this season is less goals scored across the whole of the front line (so far) that includes Ronaldo.

Berbatov playing has broken up what was the most devastating attack in Europe, nobody could live with Tevez Rooney and Ronaldo, the pace, the interplay the goal scoring.
Now what we have is one dimensional, one paced lethargy when he plays, and a disjointed mess when he doesn't, as Tevez confidence is through the floor.

The whole team hasnt played well this season and has been scraping through results for months, thats not just because of Berbatov , its more likely Quiroz leaving (in Jul 08)

The other huge difference is that we have already paid out on Berbatov, we cant afford to waste £10-£15m (allowing for any money we might get back from Berba sale) to go on a bit part player like Tevez ....that hasnt shown any kind of form this season ...even before Berba arrived.

If Tevez was in the form of last season, then maybe - but he plainly isnt and at best is only going to be an impact sub for the rest of the season (unless the rumour that Berba is injured again is true)

Maybe neither of them is the answer -- but its not just Berba thats caused the difference between last season ( the 20 odd games we got from Hargreaves last season strengthening the midfield is a huge loss also for instance)
 
Gianfranco Zola pinpointed Heurelho Gomes' save from David Di Michele when the score was still 0-0 as the key moment as we won Saturday's derby against West Ham.

Di Michele took advantage as Jonathan Woodgate misjudged Robert Green's long clearance only for Gomes to block the chance with his feet.

That was after 58 minutes and just seven minutes later Roman Pavlyuchenko struck the only goal of the game.

Zola said: "Tottenham are one of the six best teams in the country and we played without fear and stood up to them, it could easily have been a point.

"When Di Michele went through I thought this was the moment. We had a great chance and I believe if he had scored we would have won the game, but we didn't and they scored soon after.

"I knew the first 15, 20 minutes of the second half would be crucial. We had the chance, didn't score and then Pavlyuchenko scored.

"The only words I can say are words of praise. My players gave everything."
Wonder who else he classes as Top 6 then... Villa, Everton or City?
 
I've put £2.50 on

Teams in bold to win

£286 back

Derby vs Wolves
Sheffield United v Nottingham Forest
Coventry v Charlton
Blackpool v Reading
Birmingham v Plymouth
Mk Dons v Bristol Rovers
Cheltenham v Yeovil Town

Fingers crossed :D
 
City have the potential if they keep spending like they have been, Villa have the potential if MON continues to build. IMO it has to be Everton as they have been up there for a number of seasons now.
 
The whole team hasnt played well this season and has been scraping through results for months, thats not just because of Berbatov , its more likely Quiroz leaving (in Jul 08)

The other huge difference is that we have already paid out on Berbatov, we cant afford to waste £10-£15m (allowing for any money we might get back from Berba sale) to go on a bit part player like Tevez ....that hasnt shown any kind of form this season ...even before Berba arrived.

If Tevez was in the form of last season, then maybe - but he plainly isnt and at best is only going to be an impact sub for the rest of the season (unless the rumour that Berba is injured again is true)

Maybe neither of them is the answer -- but its not just Berba thats caused the difference between last season ( the 20 odd games we got from Hargreaves last season strengthening the midfield is a huge loss also for instance)


I've already said about the other players this season, I've been doing it nearly every week. He is just one **** up in the squad that we were talking about. Its just one of those things, It was clear to me, you and everybody else that Scholes wasnt up to playing a major part this season, that Hargreaves wouldnt be fit as his knee problems were being reported all summer, the fact we only had two decent centerbacks, one right back and one left back.
All parts of the squad that needed reinforcing more urgently than upfront, and all of them are now showing why they were more urgently needed.

Hit the search button, and you can see the abuse I got when I mentioned it in the close season.
 
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