How are they going to know its been gutted? As long as its present and passes emissions why would it fail?
Ford - Turbo Dieseles - Failing when not driven fast enough
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How are they going to know its been gutted? As long as its present and passes emissions why would it fail?
I thought the whole idea of the DPF was to catch the soot particles to meet Euro V regs? If you gut the DPF, there is now no 'filter' to catch the soot, regardless of the fact that the readings have been bypassed in the ECU. Surely this will fail the MOT?
Going back to the original post, I'm in the opinion that a buyer should do adequate research on a vehicle before the purchase it. Maybe Ford should take the VAG stance and in their diesel brochures mention it isn't suitable for CI or town usage, but the simple fact of the matter is the friend of OP has bought a car unsuitable for his type of usage.
The tester will only be able to go on the emission reading. If it passes emissions how else will the tester know the DPF has been gutted?
My car has had the DPF removed completely as well as the EGR and EGR cooler. I don't believe it will fail its next MOT.
But if a Dealer is selling a diesel which ford has admitted needs to be run at over 50mph at times on an island with a 40mph limit...this is selling something that is not fit for purpose. Therefore sales person should ask:
If the buyer will be going off the Island in order to go over 50mph legally
Advise them against the Diesel and go for Petrol?
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No, because the car isn't restricted to just driving around the island, for all Ford know you could be taking it to the mainland every week.
It would be nice for Ford to ask, but they have no legal obligation to do so.
How convenient for you and them then.
There's obviously a fine line, but they crossed it into the realm of being wrong.
I think they know very well what's happening but as you said, have the obligation to be a complete **** of a generalised entity. When you sell something you know isn't fit for person, purpose or location at the least to make the buyer aware, then there's problems.
If buyer turns to say "it's okay, I will be using the vehicle within those parameters" then fine.
You serve no purpose in this thread other than trolling and stirring arguments.
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I think they should be taking the same stance as VAG and being clearer on their sales literature. I would be somewhat miffed, but then again sole usage of a diesel seems an odd choice outside of an commercial application.
I would fix, sell and buy a petrol and take this hard lesson on the chin. Surely after the second visit alarm bells would have been ringing and heeded the owners manual. But hey ho hind sight is a wonderful thing..
I'm sure watchdog would love a story like this and the outcome might be somewhat positive for any cars purchased direct.......... Maybe
I would fix, sell and buy a petrol and take this hard lesson on the chin. Surely after the second visit alarm bells would have been ringing and heeded the owners manual. But hey ho hind sight is a wonderful thing..
I'm sure watchdog would love a story like this and the outcome might be somewhat positive for any cars purchased direct.......... Maybe
Only because of recent changes, older vehicles have had diesel engines of far less refinement with outstanding economy that merely required shorter service intervals than current models. They didn't have DMF's DPF's common rail etc etc that have been causing the problems that modern diesels have had.
I am sure many Jersey owners had 205/306 (an example of which there are many others) diesels for years without worrying about 40mph limits, only doing town driving etc.
I had a diesel Cavalier with a crumby 1.7 Isuzu turbo diesel lump in it back in 1993/4 it returned 50 odd mpg and had none of the issues modern diesels face. People still expect the same from modern diesels and don't expect the level of sophistication and unreliability that comes with the modern versions.
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I'm sure if Ford removed them from sale everyone would moan what terrible company Ford is and that our right to choice has been removed.
They can't win, very few cars seem suitable for use on Jersey tbh.
I have no words for how one track minded you are. You just cannot grasp it can you?
Nobody is asking to remove them from sale, but Ford selling such a vehicle with such requirements, knowing that there will be issues and the customer expecting to be advised of that is a pretty legitimate request.
"Yes sir, you can have this model, but we advise you of the following...."
But you stand on your legal obligation soap box.
Also,
How do you come to that conclusion? There are masses of people who buy cars in the UK and likely never go over 30MPH; never taking their cars out of their local villages. People who never go on motorways and at most see 50MPH.
People who short shift every single gear, people who never, not once go anywhere near the powerband, let alone the red line. Do you see cars failing everywhere because of this? No.
So, let's hear why Firestar_3x thinks most cars are unsuitable for Jersey, let's hear your rationale.
Have you ever been to Jersey? Do you know ANYTHING about it outside of your preconceptions?
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Oh give over, why you've got such a bee in your bonnet over this I’ve got no idea, perhaps it's something to do with the fact about 2 people agree with your standpoint....
What else should the Ford dealer tell them at the point of sale, how stupid should they assume the customer is, should they remind them to insert the diesel pump into this particular car because it won't run on petrol?
As for cars, anything with an engine bigger than a thimble, with the exception of tractors / lorrys / fire engines / ambulances and people who actually require off-road equipment.
lets take your car for example, what exactly is the point in owning an S2000 on Jersey, what does your car do for you day to day that a 1.6 MX5 won't?
And your comparison to loads of cars in the uk never going over 30mph is rubbish.
What else should the Ford dealer tell them at the point of sale, how stupid should they assume the customer is, should they remind them to insert the diesel pump into this particular car because it won't run on petrol?
As for cars, anything with an engine bigger than a thimble, with the exception of tractors / lorrys / fire engines / ambulances and people who actually require off-road equipment.
lets take your car for example, what exactly is the point in owning an S2000 on Jersey, what does your car do for you day to day that a 1.6 MX5 won't?
And your comparison to loads of cars in the uk never going over 30mph is rubbish.
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I KNEW this was coming.
Exactly the same can be said for anyone in the UK also. This stupid stupid stupid argument that perpetuates through idiotic thinking and reasoning.
Why is everyone in the UK not driving the absolute bear minimum to reach motorway speeds. Why does anyone who buy 'more' need it for day to day driving? What does anyone in the UK who drives an M3 get day-to-day that they cannot with a base spec model?
This ridiculous A to B, minimum requirement only argument that you agree with.
Just wow, one-track mind confirmed.
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So come on then, answer the question rather than hiding behind insults, put this to bed once and for all, what does your car offer on Jersey that a 1.6 or smaller engined 2 seater wouldn't?
As for the UK question lots is different, since we can do 60mph down country lanes having a more powerful car aids in overtaking easier, also during long distance trips, such as the motorways you've talked about a larger engined car is easier to drive and you feel much fresher at the end of the trip.
I could go on to large hills and the peaks but i really CBA to expand the point further.
As for the UK question lots is different, since we can do 60mph down country lanes having a more powerful car aids in overtaking easier, also during long distance trips, such as the motorways you've talked about a larger engined car is easier to drive and you feel much fresher at the end of the trip.
I could go on to large hills and the peaks but i really CBA to expand the point further.
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You answer your question, why are almost all cars unsuitable for Jersey? Other than your absolutely idiotic answer already provided.
An S2000 is an S2000 whether it is in jersey or on the bloody moon. What does being in Jersey have to do with any of the hundreds of reasons to pick a car? (Be it aesthetic, engine type, noise, perceived quality, reliability etc)
You are exactly the sort of one-track mind fool who focuses on such a fine a point to progress his so called argument and ignores the actual reality.
You are stuck on the fact that the speed limit is 40MPH and as such any car is pointless in Jersey, totally ignoring the fact the same reasoning applies to the UK (Last time I checked you did not have unrestricted roads) and the same counter-argument applies to the UK also - Not everyone buys a car based on the speed limit and it's performance within that limit.
Your argument is stupid. If it were valid why does everybody not buy the cheapest, most powerful car they can buy that is reliable and ignore absolutely every single other aspect of the vehicle.
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Again why with the insults, i'm not insulting you, grow up.
When you have no need to overtake fast traffic, 0 scope to do long distance trips and limited hills then the point in getting a larger engined car is devalued, why would you put up with the increased fuel consumption and running costs of a much larger car, like an Focus ST when in your case a 1.6 Focus (bar looking different) will do the same job?
The REAL reason of owning an S2000 over something like an MX5 and why people buy them (people into cars) is the extra power, increased grip and driving dynamics, in terms of driving around at 40mph other than people thinking OMG he must be amazing, the S2000 offers very little over the 5, other than increased running costs, does Vtec work in 1st gear?
Again why with the insults? Grow up.
See previous post.
Speed limit? Isn't that the whole point of this thread?
Why quote something you did not even read?
Never been to Jersey, have you?
....................seriously?
S2000 is not an expensive car to run.
I do 5,000-10,000 miles a year and earn more than enough each year. Why do I care about running costs? Hint - I do not.
Oh, so you own one then? You made the decision to buy that S2000 over an MX5 solely for this reason?
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