Former teacher found not guilty of animal abuse

Caracus2k said:
I would not support the use of such tactics on a day to day basis around the stables but there is a clear need to quickly resolve an animal running free on a road.....
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You eat meat and dairy right? :confused:

Or is hitting horses worse than cutting animals heads off?

cu3ed said:
Because many poeple dont seem to have nay clue what horses can be and act like out of now where. She's a former teacher cause of idiots.
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Don't hit animals and you wont lose your job, its not a hard concept to grasp for most humans with even the smallest amount of empathy.
 
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Johno please? said:
You eat meat and dairy right? :confused:

Or is hitting horses worse than cutting animals heads off?



Don't hit animals and you wont lose your job, its not a hard concept to grasp for most humans with even the smallest amount of empathy.
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WE arnt talking about animals...yea..dont hit a dog..cat....a Horse on the other hand sending itself towards a kid?...youll do what ya know to make it settle back.
 
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Johno please? said:
You eat meat and dairy right? :confused:
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Yes
Johno please? said:
Or is hitting horses worse than cutting animals heads off?
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The woman's actions are clearly less distressing to the horse than thoose that are routine in abattoirs and dairy farms concernig other animals.

Johno please? said:
Don't hit animals and you wont lose your job, its not a hard concept to grasp for most humans with even the smallest amount of empathy.
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That makes about as much sense as saying a police officer (or anyone else for that matter) should never hit another person. It's got very little to do with 'empathy' and any such feelings would easily be shown to be misplaced in other circumstances (let's say the horse runs off and collides with a car leading the horse to be put down and the occupants of the car to be injured)

The justification/ or lack thereof for the use of violence is entirely contextual.

If the woman held an honestly held belief that, in the circumstances,force was needed to avert a likely risk of a far more serious issue (a horse running amok on a road) and her actions could not be shown to be very unreasonable then the verdict delivered was correct.

The horse had already made of from a child.

The woman in this case had sensibly instructed the child not to try and hold into the reins once the horse was already making off and she had to take it on herself to bring the horse back under control and put it back in a horse box.
 
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Caracus2k said:
That makes about as much sense as saying a police officer (or anyone else for that matter) should never hit another person. It's got very little to do with 'empathy' and any such feelings would easily be shown to be misplaced in other circumstances (let's say the horse runs off and collides with a car leading the horse to be put down and the occupants of the car to be injured)

The justification/ or lack thereof for the use of violence is entirely contextual.

If the woman held an honestly held belief that, in the circumstances,force was needed to avert a likely risk of a far more serious issue (a horse running amok on a road) and her actions could not be shown to be very unreasonable then the verdict delivered was correct.

The horse had already made of from a child.

The woman in this case had sensibly instructed the child not to try and hold into the reins once the horse was already making off and she had to take it on herself to bring the horse back under control and put it back in a horse box.
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If you look closely at the video it looks a lot more like punishment or malice on her part, the horse has stopped moving away she then proceeds to kick and hit them in the face.
 
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Measured slaps [even to the chops] or whip are common and effective techniques for disciplining disrespectful horses and if done right don't cause any harm. I've never seen anyone competent with horses kicking them however, in fact you don't want to train horses to get any notions when it comes to kicking.

Caracus2k said:
Source? The use of many other forms of physical force have been a mainstay of horse husbandry for millenia! And again it's not necessary to say that the woman's actions should be routine just whether they were justified *in the circumstances*
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I'm far from an expert, but growing up in and around rural Somerset and spending some time on farms what you say matches up with my experience.
 
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Rroff said:
Measured slaps [even to the chops] or whip are common and effective techniques for disciplining disrespectful horses and if done right don't cause any harm. I've never seen anyone competent with horses kicking them however, in fact you don't want to train horses to get any notions when it comes to kicking.
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I'm led to understand, from the horsey types at the various stables round here, that horses sometimes take a deep breath and hold it when being saddled, which results in a loose saddle strap and subsequently a fallen rider. The trick they use is a kick to the belly, making the horse exhale, so they can get the strap on tight enough.
Not sure how correct or widespread it is, but I initially asked them after reading a character doing it in a novel.
 
ttaskmaster said:
I'm led to understand, from the horsey types at the various stables round here, that horses sometimes take a deep breath and hold it when being saddled, which results in a loose saddle strap and subsequently a fallen rider. The trick they use is a kick to the belly, making the horse exhale, so they can get the strap on tight enough.
Not sure how correct or widespread it is, but I initially asked them after reading a character doing it in a novel.
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Why is the horse even holding its breath in the first place :confused:

Is this something horses and/or animals randomly do?
 
ttaskmaster said:
I'm led to understand, from the horsey types at the various stables round here, that horses sometimes take a deep breath and hold it when being saddled, which results in a loose saddle strap and subsequently a fallen rider. The trick they use is a kick to the belly, making the horse exhale, so they can get the strap on tight enough.
Not sure how correct or widespread it is, but I initially asked them after reading a character doing it in a novel.
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Can't comment on that but it wouldn't need to be applied in the situation in the video. In my experience the more experienced horsey types discourage the use of kicks in training/disciplining.
 
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