Forza 2 Demo - Feedback
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Mr Men said:
Yeah because the brakes in a fiesta are the same as the ones in a Lambo yes?
Its a GAME.Yes they call it a simulation but come on,some of the gripes on here are laughable.If you arn't any good at the GAME,then thats your fault.
But hey you are all entitled to your opinion,so moan away.
OK, managed to play for about an hour before work, here are my thoughts.
Graphics:
I'd be lying if I said I weren't dissapointed. They look quite nice, but way short of looking 'real'. The colours, especially on the cars, are far too over-saturated. And there's no subtlety in the lighting, the difference between darker areas and lighter areas is too great, with not enough in between. The lighting reminds me of TDU in that respect.
As for the jaggies, yes they are noticeable but they dont detract from the immersion as much as the colours/lighting issues.
Having said all that, the car models are nicely detailed, refections are nice if a little overdone, and the track detail and draw distance are good. Shadows are very nice too, and cast over the cars in a realistic way.
I love the fact that the viuals are running at 60fps though, it really does make a difference, and when switching to the 30fps of the replays the difference is very clear.
Overall the graphics could have been better, but they are far from terrible and more than adequate.
Sound:
Quite pleased with the audio. I'm running this through quite a meaty 5.1 system, and the crash sounds are fantastic, really bone crunching with a nice thud. Engine sounds are pretty good, but a little lacking in low down grunt and grittyness.
On the whole though, the audio is pretty damn good.
Now lets get on to what this game is about, how it feels to drive:
First let me get this clear, I NEVER drive with any aids other than ABS on. Driving aids are for little girls
I'm also an avid PC sim player.
I'll get this out of the way first, the brakes are way too sensitive, even with ABS. It is difficult to modulate the brakes properly to trail-brake into the bends, and it's quite frustrating. Maybe things are better with pedals, I intend to get a wheel so I hope so.
As for the actual car physics, the jury is still out. It seems rediculously easy to hang the arse out and hold a slide. On my third race I jumped into the yellow Saleen and was sliding the arse out on every bend and holding it easily. It's way easier to hold a slide than it is in PC Sims.
It just seems that they have spent a lot time creating a complex and advanced 360fps physics engine, then dumbed it down by 'tuning' it for console gamers.
Having said that, I'm used to rFactor, a sim that is notorious for being difficult to hold a car in a slide.
Also, the instant lock-to-lock of the pad makes holding the arse out a lot easier. The underlying phyics feel solid, so it might just be that the pad is making it feel more arcadey than PC sims.
Overall I'm slightly dissapointed, I was hoping for a Sim to rival stuff on the PC, but it certainly doesn't feel that way at the moment. It's a huge amout of fun, but doesn't feel 'real' enough.
Still looking forward to the full game though, and it might be a whole different story with a wheel/pedals.
Graphics:
I'd be lying if I said I weren't dissapointed. They look quite nice, but way short of looking 'real'. The colours, especially on the cars, are far too over-saturated. And there's no subtlety in the lighting, the difference between darker areas and lighter areas is too great, with not enough in between. The lighting reminds me of TDU in that respect.
As for the jaggies, yes they are noticeable but they dont detract from the immersion as much as the colours/lighting issues.
Having said all that, the car models are nicely detailed, refections are nice if a little overdone, and the track detail and draw distance are good. Shadows are very nice too, and cast over the cars in a realistic way.
I love the fact that the viuals are running at 60fps though, it really does make a difference, and when switching to the 30fps of the replays the difference is very clear.
Overall the graphics could have been better, but they are far from terrible and more than adequate.
Sound:
Quite pleased with the audio. I'm running this through quite a meaty 5.1 system, and the crash sounds are fantastic, really bone crunching with a nice thud. Engine sounds are pretty good, but a little lacking in low down grunt and grittyness.
On the whole though, the audio is pretty damn good.
Now lets get on to what this game is about, how it feels to drive:
First let me get this clear, I NEVER drive with any aids other than ABS on. Driving aids are for little girls
I'm also an avid PC sim player.
I'll get this out of the way first, the brakes are way too sensitive, even with ABS. It is difficult to modulate the brakes properly to trail-brake into the bends, and it's quite frustrating. Maybe things are better with pedals, I intend to get a wheel so I hope so.
As for the actual car physics, the jury is still out. It seems rediculously easy to hang the arse out and hold a slide. On my third race I jumped into the yellow Saleen and was sliding the arse out on every bend and holding it easily. It's way easier to hold a slide than it is in PC Sims.
It just seems that they have spent a lot time creating a complex and advanced 360fps physics engine, then dumbed it down by 'tuning' it for console gamers.
Having said that, I'm used to rFactor, a sim that is notorious for being difficult to hold a car in a slide.
Also, the instant lock-to-lock of the pad makes holding the arse out a lot easier. The underlying phyics feel solid, so it might just be that the pad is making it feel more arcadey than PC sims.
Overall I'm slightly dissapointed, I was hoping for a Sim to rival stuff on the PC, but it certainly doesn't feel that way at the moment. It's a huge amout of fun, but doesn't feel 'real' enough.
Still looking forward to the full game though, and it might be a whole different story with a wheel/pedals.
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Turn off ABS, get in the Ferrari and try and drive how you have been with the ABS.. you need extreme left finger control!Kreeeee said:I don't get it. I can brake perfectly fine without sliding around (hint: you cant steer at full tilt while braking) so what is everyone whining like little girls about?
This braking issue certainly is turning into a contentious topic.
I turned off ABS and drove around with the telemetry on and it would seem that I could brake at about 95% and not lock the brakes, yet when I apply 100% then they will lock up.
How does this match up with a real car? The last time I jammed my foot flat on the brakes in my car, the ABS kicked in..I would think that if you put braked as hard as possible in any car the brakes would lock.
I think it's impossible to judge the braking on a controller..the travel is too short and there's no feel as you would get in a real car.
I turned off ABS and drove around with the telemetry on and it would seem that I could brake at about 95% and not lock the brakes, yet when I apply 100% then they will lock up.
How does this match up with a real car? The last time I jammed my foot flat on the brakes in my car, the ABS kicked in..I would think that if you put braked as hard as possible in any car the brakes would lock.
I think it's impossible to judge the braking on a controller..the travel is too short and there's no feel as you would get in a real car.
lolMr Men said:
Yes... I am clearly a troll. A well informed, intelligent and polite troll.
All I am saying is, can you please stop being so agressive in your replies, it's like you have little man complex and you need to shout to be heard.
Just something for you to look out for.
OK my 4 race in report 
Love it. Traction Control is rubbish though! It was coming in every corner and really bogging the car down. I turned it off and drove pretty much the same as the previous lap. Now judging by how much the TCS light was on I was expecting to be all over the shop but I wasn't
although the replay showed I was giving more opposite lock and had more arse out moments than I realised
Can't wait to try the other cars and will be counting the days to the release of the full game.
Love it. Traction Control is rubbish though! It was coming in every corner and really bogging the car down. I turned it off and drove pretty much the same as the previous lap. Now judging by how much the TCS light was on I was expecting to be all over the shop but I wasn't
although the replay showed I was giving more opposite lock and had more arse out moments than I realised Can't wait to try the other cars and will be counting the days to the release of the full game.
Can you not adjust the sensitivity and dead zone of the brake? I.e. if on the pad, decrease the sensitivity of the shoulder button used for braking to decrease the amount of brake applied when at 1/2 travel for example?
Hmmm... If that is not in the full game then I would consider that a major oversight on the developers part... Playing Race and GTR2 on the PC, the first thing I do is adjust the pedal sensitivity to suit my style of driving... Disappointing if thats the case.