Forza Horizon 3 just shown at E3

[silvagti]

Tbh unless you really want the additional cars, no point in getting the ultimate edition like I said above. The DLC prices for the forza series have always been silly expensive imo. This isn't much different from Horizons 1/2 and Forza 5/6, the only difference being they've offered a bundle vs buying separately. If you do want the additional cars etc then you're better off getting the bundles as it's cheaper.

That's true to be fair. I'm not really that bothered since most of the additional content is just cosmetic fluff and re-skins anyway really. The thing which does annoy me is that the so called "ultimate" edition of the game doesn't include the access to the expansions for free. That seems underhand as usually when you buy the deluxe/ulimate/etc version of a game for that kind of money (we're talking £80 here!) it normally includes automatic access to expansions.

To me it feels like a con on Microsoft's part not bundling the expansions with the ultimate version espcially when they're being released in a couple of months time.

 

[SS-89]

That's true to be fair. I'm not really that bothered since most of the additional content is just cosmetic fluff and re-skins anyway really. The thing the does irk me is that the so called "ultimate" edition of the game doesn't include the access to the expansions for free. That seems underhand as usually when you buy the deluxe/ulimate/etc version of a game for that kind of money (we're talking £80 here!) it normally includes automatic access to expansions.

To me it feels like a con on Microsoft's part not bundling the expansions with the ultimate version.

They would have therefore charged more and that probably would have broken the price barrier for a lot of people. I assume they took a decision that £80/$99 was the cutoff for the bundles and allocated accordingly. The Ultimate edition is £20 cheaper than buying separately so for those wanting the fluff they're better off buying that.

 

[silvagti]

They would have therefore charged more and that probably would have broken the price barrier for a lot of people. I assume they took a decision that £80/$99 was the cutoff for the bundles and allocated accordingly. The Ultimate edition is £20 cheaper than buying separately so for those wanting the fluff they're better off buying that.

Yeah, but given most of the DLC is fluff Microsoft would have been better IMO renaming the £80 ultimate version to "Forza Horizons 3 - Season Pass edition" (bundling the season pass & removing the car packs/etc) and selling it for the same £80 they're charging for the ultimate version. At least that way you'd get access to the entire game and you could take or leave the DLC skins/car pack/etc.

They've actively chosen to bundle the Ultimate version with fluff you don't need and paywalled off the actual expansions to the game which you'll definitely want to play! If you're happy with that then OK but to me if feels like a con.

 

[SS-89]

Yeah, but given most of the DLC is fluff Microsoft would have been better IMO renaming the £80 ultimate version to "Forza Horizons 3 - Season Pass edition" (bundling the season pass & removing the car packs/etc) and selling it for the same £80 they're charging for the ultimate version. At least that way you'd get access to the entire game and you could take or leave the DLC skins/car pack/etc.

They've actively chosen to bundle the Ultimate version with fluff you don't need and paywalled off the actual expansions to the game which you'll definitely want to play!

If you're happy with that then fine but to me if feels like a con.

But you can buy the Standard edition and expansion pass for the same price as the ultimate edition? So that option is there...

 

[silvagti]

But you can buy the Standard edition and expansion pass for the same price as the ultimate edition? So that option is there...

That's the best plan IMO. I just think Microsoft are being cheeky in selling a multitude of deluxe/ultimate/whatever versions of the game. None of which include a season pass which is the one piece of DLC you actually need IMO.

Having said all that I'm still gonna pick up the standard version of the game on release as it looks pretty good

 

[Daftbrown]

Downloading and getting this game to run has been a real blummin' labour. Performance in game is now great... Until it crashes after each event. Finished a few events to get to Level 2 but now it CTDs between events and free roam.

Shame, I would have spent a few hours over the weekend racing about and discovering what's on offer.

Also, am I right in thinking that the only way to have your own music playing is to pay a monthly charge for Groove? (after 14 day trial). That's a greater con than any DLC I'd say.

 

[Mario]

So, let me get this right. You spend £80 on the "Ultimate" version of the game and Microsoft are still going to mug you for another £20-30 a couple of months later for additional DLC.

Ouch!

There's some serious price gouging going on here with the DLC content.....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/forza-horizon-3-dlc-pass-announced-adds-to-ultimat/1100-6443870/

Im not going to defend MS,but here is my take on this.
The game world we have is now crazy big,it took them some time to create it.
If they wanted,they could have delayed game for another 1 or 2 and we would have whole australia probably,but i dont want to wait that long.
Im not defending MS,make no mistake,but some DLC's dont equal others.Forza DLC's is usually the size of whole games from other companies,so im ok with that.Besides,i want Forza series to be alive.
That being said,Ultimate owners will get quite good amount of discount on new Expansions (not DLC's)
Forza has never been cheap game.Ask my wife.Or better dont

 

[Amatsubu]

Im not going to defend MS,but here is my take on this.
The game world we have is now crazy big,it took them some time to create it.
If they wanted,they could have delayed game for another 1 or 2 and we would have whole australia probably,but i dont want to wait that long.
Im not defending MS,make no mistake,but some DLC's dont equal others.Forza DLC's is usually the size of whole games from other companies,so im ok with that.Besides,i want Forza series to be alive.
That being said,Ultimate owners will get quite good amount of discount on new Expansions (not DLC's)
Forza has never been cheap game.Ask my wife.Or better dont

There are games more detailed and with more content than Horizon 3 like GTA V with constant free online DLC updates and Witcher 3 with two great expansions.

The way I see it, it's just milking. The game seems very nice but the prices are preposterous, especially for something on Windows Store and with alleged performance issues.

No way is it worth 80 quid if we don't get everything for that price, unless the DLCs are Witcher-like massive. Even the base game is a lot more expensive than many titles I bought last year.

I think I'll pass for now. Maybe it'll come to Steam at a later date.

 

[roddypoddy]

Well i'm not having performance issues,but using my t300rs wheel is a pain somewhat as the deadzone is far too big to make the races %100 enjoyable having less precision than is needed.
Anyone know of any fix,ini editing even,i cannot even find the game install on my pc,feel like a complete novice,lol.

 

[Mario]

There are games more detailed and with more content than Horizon 3 like GTA V with constant free online DLC updates and Witcher 3 with two great expansions.

The way I see it, it's just milking. The game seems very nice but the prices are preposterous, especially for something on Windows Store and with alleged performance issues.

No way is it worth 80 quid if we don't get everything for that price, unless the DLCs are Witcher-like massive. Even the base game is a lot more expensive than many titles I bought last year.

I think I'll pass for now. Maybe it'll come to Steam at a later date.

You mixing racing game with other games.GTA is NOT racing,and W3 is clearly not racing either.
Not every company HAVE TO release fre DLC's,they dont have to.
Price is subjective thing - what is not worth for you might be worth for me.Some going crazy about Rolex,im happy with cheap Seconda,and vice versa.
If people think that 80 is to much for what Ultimate includes,i have nothing to say.6 months DLC's at least,VIP stuff,VIP missions/races etc,car pass etc.
I love Forza and i would have paid even 100 for Ultimate,because if you look at it,there is no better game like this.Its a GOTY in racing games.
Sure,if you just into racing sometimes it might not be worth for you.I have all Forzas in Ultimate/Collectors editions,so its worth me as i like to have all extra bits.

 

[wellibob]

Tried FH3 on my server ([email protected] 16 gig ram GTX670 2gb). Low video card memory on the lowest settings and about 2 mins into game it'll throw you out .LOW VIDEO MEMORY warnings lol. Not surprised but oh dear.

 

[Amatsubu]

You mixing racing game with other games.GTA is NOT racing,and W3 is clearly not racing either.
Not every company HAVE TO release fre DLC's,they dont have to.

No, you're missing the point completely. I'm not comparing genres here, just pointing out there are games
more robust and complex than this which are cheaper and have some free DLC or reasonably priced DLC. If a relatively small Polish studio can pull off something like the Witcher 3 witch great expansions for such a price, then I don't see why Forza has to be so expensive.

No game is worth 80 quid for me, except maybe the Yakuza series, if I'm still not getting the complete package. If you're happy to pay so much, then whatever floats your boat.

 

[richiesimms]

So after formatting to get the anniversary update, game downloaded and works well. Averaging 75 fps on ultra with a few aa settings turned down.

The game so reminds me of test drive unlimited. Loved that game but it had real problems with the online element. If the online element of this works, this will be my new favorite game.

I am using a g29 which works ok, but the drifting seems to be very hard to control.

I hope they fix all these issues everyone is having with a patch soon. Because its a great game when working right.

 

[flinco]

Had a 2x 4GB sticks of RAM arrive from the MM this morning to supplement my current 4x 2GB sticks. Once installed they prevent my 4 GHZ overclock from booting, despite playing around with memory controller voltages etc. I tried the game with CPU at 2.6 GHZ and 12 GB RAM - still got the same hitching, just with non hitching avg of 45 fps rather than 60 fps. So I put original RAM back in and will settle with 8GB and a high CPU OC.

Funnily enough, if i close all programs apart from Forza, on 8GB ram it uses around 6.5 in total. With 12GB ram it still uses 6.5. I don't think RAM is the issue.

The game is still playable despite the hitching. I may look into upgrading to the current gen Intel.

 

[Mario]

No, you're missing the point completely. I'm not comparing genres here, just pointing out there are games
more robust and complex than this which are cheaper and have some free DLC or reasonably priced DLC. If a relatively small Polish studio can pull off something like the Witcher 3 witch great expansions for such a price, then I don't see why Forza has to be so expensive.

No game is worth 80 quid for me, except maybe the Yakuza series, if I'm still not getting the complete package. If you're happy to pay so much, then whatever floats your boat.

RPG game SHOULD be more complex than racing game,this is quite obvious,but what game genre has to do with pricing?
I hated W3 personally and never played much,not my cuppa.And sick of all games being compared to W3 - i see nothing in that game,even tho i like RPG's.
Why all studios should do same?Let that small polish team create car which looks like Forza car (it takes 6ish months for 1 car).
Incomparable styles of games, and im not missing point.As a racing game FH3 is there with the best,thats why pricing.And i have no problem paying for good product.
If W3 creators want to release they DLC for free - its they choice,pointless to compare.

 

[Amatsubu]

RPG game SHOULD be more complex than racing game,this is quite obvious,but what game genre has to do with pricing?
I hated W3 personally and never played much,not my cuppa.And sick of all games being compared to W3 - i see nothing in that game,even tho i like RPG's.
Why all studios should do same?Let that small polish team create car which looks like Forza car (it takes 6ish months for 1 car).
Incomparable styles of games, and im not missing point.As a racing game FH3 is there with the best,thats why pricing.And i have no problem paying for good product.
If W3 creators want to release they DLC for free - its they choice,pointless to compare.

I didn't like Witcher 3 that much either but it's a quality game. You ARE missing the point, why so defensive? Genres have nothing to do with pricing, don't know where you got that from. I'm just comparing a couple of quality games, what does Forza being among the best racing games have to do with its pricing? Witcher 3 is touted the best RPG game of all time, yet it's priced more reasonably. Same with GTA V. Both are the pinnacle of their respective genres.

Don't see why you have to put down other teams' work as somehow less worthy or deny me the opinion that the game is a bit too expensive just because you love it. I'm perfectly fine with you paying 80 quid for it. I know they are completely different genres but I seriously doubt Witcher or GTA V were any easier to make than Horizon 3.

Also, 6 months for one car and there are 350? Has this game been in development for centuries or are you trying to make it look more complex than it really is?;p

 

[Matteysan]

I didn't like Witcher 3 that much either but it's a quality game. You ARE missing the point, why so defensive? Genres have nothing to do with pricing, don't know where you got that from. I'm just comparing a couple of quality games, what does Forza being among the best racing games have to do with its pricing? Witcher 3 is touted the best RPG game of all time, yet it's priced more reasonably. Same with GTA V. Both are the pinnacle of their respective genres.

Don't see why you have to put down other teams' work as somehow less worthy or deny me the opinion that the game is a bit too expensive just because you love it. I'm perfectly fine with you paying 80 quid for it. I know they are completely different genres but I seriously doubt Witcher or GTA V were any easier to make than Horizon 3.

Also, 6 months for one car and there are 350? Has this game been in development for centuries or are you trying to make it look more complex than it really is?;p

I love Forza & even I think £80 is too much.

 

[Digital X]

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[SS-89]

£80 is too much (hell the £70 I paid for ultimate is too much) but...the game is £50 and frankly the additional cars is hardly worth it. £50 whilst a tad on the pricy side isn't that bad considering how good the game is. If you don't want the additional fluff nobody is forcing you to buy it. Get the base game and enjoy what is a quality game. It's not like you're short of choice with 350 cars!

 

[Parky]

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