Foxes
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Dolph said:
A .22 rifle can be an air rifle or rimfire, completely different type of gun.
.22 Air Rifle takes lead pellets. A NO NO for shooting foxes.
.22 Rimfire which come in the form of LR & WMR. Used for Fox hunting but the LR rimfire is more of rabbit gun. Can be used for close range fox though where as the .22WMR is a fox gun with kills at much longer distances. I use the .22WMR rimfire.
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You know, there's just something about people saying stuff like, "killing defenseless animals is wrong and primitive" that completely baffles me.
Do you ever clean with bleach? Do you ever use mouthwash? Have you ever swatted a fly?
Where do you draw the line at what is a pest and what is not? Bacteria and germs are living things, and yet we all kill MILLIONS of them daily with bleach and denatured alcohol. A fly (in your context of meanings) has just as much reason to life as we do, but we think nothing of spraying them with Raid.
"But they sread disease" will be your argument, right? And? Where does something that is a pest/nuisance cross the line into being more important than our own safety/wellbeing/comfort? Where is the magical line that differentiates between something that is a viable target for extermination and something that should be left to its destructive nature and ruin our lives/homes?
In my opinion, that magical line appears a smidgeoun below the human race. Anything and everything else becomes a valid target for extermination when it crosses the boundaries into becoming a pest/nuisance. If it leaves me alone, I'll leave it alone. It starts tearing up my property or affecting my life adversely, it will be dealt with.
If you have an infestation of rats or mice in your house, what do you do? You either set out traps or call an exterminator. Either way, you are killing multiple "defenseless creatures". Maybe not with your own hand, but you are instigating the whole process. So what's the difference between said mice and foxes that are ravaging your source of eggs and poultry? NONE!! So at that point foxes are at the same point on the "target chain" as mice are in your cupboard. Just a different weapon of extermination is used, that's all.
Do you ever clean with bleach? Do you ever use mouthwash? Have you ever swatted a fly?
Where do you draw the line at what is a pest and what is not? Bacteria and germs are living things, and yet we all kill MILLIONS of them daily with bleach and denatured alcohol. A fly (in your context of meanings) has just as much reason to life as we do, but we think nothing of spraying them with Raid.
"But they sread disease" will be your argument, right? And? Where does something that is a pest/nuisance cross the line into being more important than our own safety/wellbeing/comfort? Where is the magical line that differentiates between something that is a viable target for extermination and something that should be left to its destructive nature and ruin our lives/homes?
In my opinion, that magical line appears a smidgeoun below the human race. Anything and everything else becomes a valid target for extermination when it crosses the boundaries into becoming a pest/nuisance. If it leaves me alone, I'll leave it alone. It starts tearing up my property or affecting my life adversely, it will be dealt with.
If you have an infestation of rats or mice in your house, what do you do? You either set out traps or call an exterminator. Either way, you are killing multiple "defenseless creatures". Maybe not with your own hand, but you are instigating the whole process. So what's the difference between said mice and foxes that are ravaging your source of eggs and poultry? NONE!! So at that point foxes are at the same point on the "target chain" as mice are in your cupboard. Just a different weapon of extermination is used, that's all.
Mickey_D said:
I don't think the crux of Phykells argument is that killing things is wrong per se, I think it is that killing things for the fun of it is wrong.
Killing for utility is something that he doesn't seem to have too much issue with however he dislikes people who derive pleasure from killing animals for sport or fun.
There was an article in the paper recently about a cat thrown off a 50 foot roof repeatedly until it died. The people doing that thought it was funny, most of us think it is wrong. By the same token I might enjoy hunting foxes and shooting them but as I serve no purpose in doing it and there is no utility to me then he feels that is no better than chucking cats off roofs. I can see his point. I just don't share his empathies.
Mickey_D said:
That's because you're a yank and we all know how crazy you lot are
And if you kill something that is "defenseless" what kind of person does that make you
What if a defenseless animal killed a defenseless child because he/she wandered onto their territory, would that make it okay
And please don't get all heavy on me buddy ... I'm not having a go at you, honestly
