Free speech not allowed

LabR@t · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:08

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...f-proclaimed-antifascists-shut-alt-right/amp/

Looks like they got their way and shut down the debate.

Organisers were forced to evacuate the lecture hall and call the police after violence erupted, and windows were allegedly smashed.

Threatening notes left at the scene were allegedly put there by protesters.

Here's alt-right mouthpiece 'Sargon of Akkad' after he was forced to leave the building, no platform for him tonight!

Who is the violent, dangerous group preventing free speech?

Shocking!

Ahleckz · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:10

Shame the protesters didn't get a bit of a kicking. Much more effective than just videoing them and providing a platform. Hashtagboxingstance.

Malevolence · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:13

Dressing in black and silencing free speech with acts and threats of violence. Were they also wearing Hugo Boss balaclavas too?

Don't do irony do they?

Roar87 · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:13

The left genuinely do not believe in free speech, it's not something they have ever claimed to support, at this point everyone who has an opposing view is essentially a Nazi so free game for violence.

[FnG]magnolia · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:19

"A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down."

Good folks on both sides, eh LabR@t?

jsmoke · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:19

All as bad as each other, generally speaking.

Tom_ed1987 · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:21

When you know you've lost the argument all you can do is give up or attempt to shut the debate down.

LabR@t · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:24

[FnG]magnolia said:
"A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down."

Good folks on both sides, eh LabR@t?

I support free speech, from where ever comes from? You have a problem with free speech from certain groups then , eh mags?

FoxEye · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:32

[FnG]magnolia said:
"A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down."

Good folks on both sides, eh LabR@t?

That doesn't tell us much. The Tories are right-wing. We wouldn't (I hope) support a bunch of thugs storming the Tory party conference and shutting it down?

cheesyboy · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:34

Giving a platform to nonsense views has an effect beyond simply 'allowing 'free speech'. It legitimises those views as something worth debate or discussion, when really they are nothing of the sort.

Free speech doesn't require free access to debate platforms in higher learning establishments. It's not a free speech issue .

Really, the issue is whether or not the university was right in considering the speaker's views debate-worthy. Should he have been no-platformed outright?

I've no idea on what thus guy's gig is, but he sounds like a dick. I don't think meaningful debate was lost here.

Boycey0211 · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:36

cheesyboy said:
Giving a platform to nonsense views has an effect beyond simply 'allowing 'free speech'. It legitimises those views as something worth debate or discussion, when really they are nothing of the sort.

Free speech doesn't require free access to debate platforms in higher learning establishments. It's not a free speech issue .

Really, the issue is whether or not the university was right in considering the speaker's views debate-worthy. Should he have been no-platformed outright?

I've no idea on what thus guy's gig is, but he sounds like a dick. I don't think meaningful debate was lost here.

This worded exactly what I wanted to say, thanks.

Both sides are in the wrong. Again, if they werent getting publicity neither of these parties would be relevant or being asked to do talks, and yes they are as bad as each other.

FoxEye · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:40

cheesyboy said:
Giving a platform to nonsense views has an effect beyond simply 'allowing 'free speech'. It legitimises those views as something worth debate or discussion, when really they are nothing of the sort.

Free speech doesn't require free access to debate platforms in higher learning establishments. It's not a free speech issue .

Really, the issue is whether or not the university was right in considering the speaker's views debate-worthy. Should he have been no-platformed outright?

I've no idea on what thus guy's gig is, but he sounds like a dick. I don't think meaningful debate was lost here.

So we should shut down flat-earth meetings, conspiracy theory forums, etc, etc.

Unless the law is being broken, whether your views are "nonsense" (subjective) or not, you have a right to hold and express them in this country.

As it should be.

The law already has provision to shut down groups promoting hatred or violence.

Minusorange · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:41

Ironic that those who claim to not be fascists have more in common with fascists than those they protest against

Roar87 · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:42

cheesyboy said:
I've no idea on what thus guy's gig is, but he sounds like a dick. I don't think meaningful debate was lost here.

Oh well if he sounds like a dick but you haven't actually heard anything of what he's saying then it must be ok to stop him speaking. Guys, he sounds like a dick, it's fine

Reeve · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:43

[FnG]magnolia said:
"A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down."

Good folks on both sides, eh LabR@t?

Are you suggesting 'right-wingers' in general are somehow comparable to Antifa? I can't tell....

If you watch the first few minutes on youtube(before Antifa crashes the party) you will see that there's nothing controversial being said

Boycey0211 · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:44

FoxEye said:
So we should shut down flat-earth meetings, conspiracy theory forums, etc, etc.

Unless the law is being broken, whether your views are "nonsense" (subjective) or not, you have a right to hold and express them in this country.

As it should be.

The law already has provision to shut down groups promoting hatred or violence.

You have a right to hold them, not necessarily express them. That applies to both sides of the spectrum as you well know. This is just GD RSS feed looking for a fight again, don't bite.

Efour · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:44

jsmoke said:
All as bad as each other, generally speaking.

Exactly 2 bunches of idiots canceling each other out. Sounds perfect.

cheesyboy · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:45

FoxEye said:
So we should shut down flat-earth meetings, conspiracy theory forums, etc, etc.

Unless the law is being broken, whether your views are "nonsense" (subjective) or not, you have a right to hold and express them in this country.

As it should be.

The law already has provision to shut down groups promoting hatred or violence.

That's fine, but it's not really relevant to anything I said, is it?

danielanthony · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:46

This left-wing Antifa lot are acting like fascists, lol that they don't get the irony.

FoxEye · 6 Mar 2018 at 20:47

Boycey0211 said:
You have a right to hold them, not necessarily express them. That applies to both sides of the spectrum as you well know. This is just GD RSS feed looking for a fight again, don't bite.

You absolutely have a right to freedom of expression in this country. 100%. So long as you do not break the law by inciting hatred or violence.

The university invited this person to give a talk. He had permission.

The planned and approved event was stopped by a militant activist group by means of violence and threats of violence.

They are not "just as bad as each other".