Free speech not allowed

[FoxEye]

Theres no point trying to explain because you're just after a fight yet again, just like in every other subforum.

Just google it. Even when I agree with you, you just end up trying to pick a fight. Obnoxious.

But you're not agreeing. Multiple times you stated, plainly, that we "do not have a right to freedom of expression" in this country.

We do. As with every other right we have, there are legally defined exceptions. In my very first post on the subject I said, "so long as they stay within the law, they have freedom of expression."

You then challenged that to say, again "we do not have freedom of expression".

And now you're just resorting to whining about it.

Like I say, a right to hold ideas not express free speech.

^^Did you or did you not mean what you said?

 

[Scrutinize]

From the article clearly anti-fa caused criminal damage and abh/gbh so how come they haven't all been arrested?

But this next bit....

"Mr Al-Khafaji said that ahead of the event, he attended a meeting with a students’ union representative and a university official who told him they had carried out full risk assessment.

“They told me I had to announce to the audience that a safe space policy exists at the start of the event. They said there will be several ‘safe space’ marshalls present,” he said.

"Safe space" marshals are employed by the students' union to patrol speaker events on campus where there is a potential for audience members to be offended"

 

[jsmoke]

OK but the question still stands. How are they as bad as each other?

You've made a statement that they're as bad as each other but now it seems you don't even know who the speakers were or the organisers...

From what I've seen in similar situations. In the US for example. The antifa vs the patriots etc. Both groups think they are morally superior but generally just ends up in a fist fight.

 

[dowie]

From what I've seen in similar situations. In the US for example. The antifa vs the patriots etc. Both groups think they are morally superior but generally just ends up in a fist fight.

What has that got to do with this event?

Basically you seem to have commented without even taking the time to read who was involved here, it is pretty mindless.

Because antifa are attacking them they're somehow like the "patriots" at the US event and therefore both groups are as bad as each other??? It is rather silly.

AFAIK it is a libertarian student society hosting a talk where the guests were a self described "classical liberal" youtuber who regularly criticises the left-SJW types and the alt-right + a jewish Objectivist. I think they're a bit far removed from the US right wingers carrying tiki torches!

 

[FoxEye]

From the article clearly anti-fa caused criminal damage and abh/gbh so how come they haven't all been arrested?

But this next bit....

"Mr Al-Khafaji said that ahead of the event, he attended a meeting with a students’ union representative and a university official who told him they had carried out full risk assessment.

“They told me I had to announce to the audience that a safe space policy exists at the start of the event. They said there will be several ‘safe space’ marshalls present,” he said.

"Safe space" marshals are employed by the students' union to patrol speaker events on campus where there is a potential for audience members to be offended"

Genuine LOL. Oh... my... word.

 

[LOAM]

Far right terrorism is apparently on the increase in the UK, I don't see this being prevented as any different to clamping down on someone holding a pro ISIS rally / speech. We have laws that ban hate speech and inciting hatred, it probably should have been stopped by official channels rather than a load of crazies though.

 

[FoxEye]

Far right terrorism is apparently on the increase in the UK, I don't see this being prevented as any different to clamping down on someone holding a pro ISIS rally / speech. We have laws that ban hate speech and inciting hatred, it probably should have been stopped by official channels rather than a load of crazies though.

I'll confess ignorance of this speaker and his agenda/message.

Can you post in this thread the things he said at this event (or previous events) that would be illegal under UK law? The fact that he hasn't been arrested for such offences makes me a tad sceptical that he has broken the law, or was going to at this event.

 

[dowie]

Far right terrorism is apparently on the increase in the UK, I don't see this being prevented as any different to clamping down on someone holding a pro ISIS rally / speech. We have laws that ban hate speech and inciting hatred, it probably should have been stopped by official channels rather than a load of crazies though.

Why should it have been stopped? What makes it related to "far right terrorism"?

Have you actually thought before posting or looked at anything to do with the event?

 

[jsmoke]

What has that got to do with this event?

Basically you seem to have commented without even taking the time to read who was involved here, it is pretty mindless.

Because antifa are attacking them they're somehow like the "patriots" at the US event and therefore both groups are as bad as each other??? It is rather silly.

AFAIK it is a libertarian student society hosting a talk where the guests were a self described "classical liberal" youtuber who regularly criticises the left-SJW types and the alt-right + a jewish Objectivist. I think they're a bit far removed from the US right wingers carrying tiki torches!

Well it seems similar to me. Copying what's going on in America etc. So what's your interpretation of it?

 

[Name]

Member of Antifa - No problem! Start public facebook groups and invite friends to shutdown local events that you don't like! Have at it, we'll even take photographs to show how brave you are standing against fascism and hatred! Don't forget to cover your face though.

Member of National Action - Lose job, potentially family, disgraced as literally a N*zi on all forms of Media, get instantly shut down, banned and demonised. Placed on terror watchlist and then you go to prison.

I know the two are not exactly the same but they are part of the left right paradigm.

 

[dowie]

Well it seems similar to me. Copying what's going on in America etc. So what's your interpretation of it?

How is it similar? Aside from it involving antifa? I've asked you a few times now and it seem you're unable to come up with anything - especially with regards to your claim that they're "as bad as each other"? How are they as bad as each other?

What do you mean by my interpretation? I can see a video showing the student libertarian society hosting an event with two speakers and antifa + a Palestinian campaign group decided to rush into the event and disrupt it.

I'm really unsure of what mental gymnastics you have to go through to conclude that both sides are "as bad as each other" generally speaking? And it seems you can't come up with anything to actually justify your statement either, which makes it a bit of a mindless comment.

 

[jsmoke]

Member of Antifa - No problem! Start public facebook groups and invite friends to shutdown local events that you don't like! Have at it, we'll even take photographs to show how brave you are standing against fascism and hatred! Don't forget to cover your face though.

Member of National Action - Lose job, potentially family, disgraced as literally a N*zi on all forms of Media, get instantly shut down, banned and demonised. Placed on terror watchlist and then you go to prison.

I know the two are not exactly the same but they are part of the left right paradigm.

Because the right traditionally have been held to a higher standard as they have some connection to Christian teachings whereas the left are generally seen as the underdogs with few morals or common sense. The left live to hate the right and base all their policies around this.

 

[Danny75]

Benjamin, who uses the pseudonym Sargon of Akkad for his YouTube channel, is known for his anti-feminist and anti-progressive views, and has been described as an “alt right” sympathiser.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...f-proclaimed-antifascists-shut-alt-right/amp/

He describes himself as a classical liberal. It would have been fairer of The Telegraph to also include that, and not just how some others describe him, and quite selectively at that. Not that I expect fairness from any media source these days, just dropping this here so hopefully more of those who are discussing this can be made aware of what the guy himself says he's about.

 

[Hades]

Far right terrorism is apparently on the increase in the UK, I don't see this being prevented as any different to clamping down on someone holding a pro ISIS rally / speech. We have laws that ban hate speech and inciting hatred, it probably should have been stopped by official channels rather than a load of crazies though.

They were legally allowed to hold the event. It wasn't being prevented in legal terms. It was interrupted by people who were against legal free speech. Antifa were taking the law into their own hands. Yet you've somehow likened the guests to holding a pro-ISIS rally

Universities should be where controversial views are expressed and debated (on all sides - left and right, even controversial ones). For students to stop such a legal event happening is fascism and very closed minded.

EDIT: Also, Sargon of Akkad is very far from being a far right terrorist. He describes himself as liberal (in the classical sense) and I tend to agree with his self description. Sadly for him he doesn't agree with some elements on the left so they deem him to be far/alt right and want to stop him expressing his views.

 

[Tefal]

"A group of people calling themselves London Antifa stormed a right-wing talk at a London university last night, with the intention of shutting it down."

Good folks on both sides, eh LabR@t?

But the person they attacked isnt alt right.


They'e labeled him as such so that people like yourself think they'e justified but he's well known for being anti alt right and debating against them.

He' quite centrist.


But you'e aptly shown why they call people nazis and alt right. People automatically assume they are telling the truth and that the victim deserved it.

 

[FoxEye]

But the person they attacked isnt alt right.


They'e labeled him as such so that people like yourself think they'e justified but he's well known for being anti alt right and debating against them.

He' quite centrist.


But you'e aptly shown why they call people nazis and alt right. People automatically assume they are telling the truth and that the victim deserved it.

Mag's quote doesn't even say "alt-right", lol. Just "right-wing".

Are we supposed to believe that "right-wing" equals Nazi, now? Y'all hear that? You Tory voters are actively trying to re-create the Third Reich. You despicable people

 

[Skunkworks]

I hate those far-right centre-leftists. :/

 

[altus]

To label "Sargon" as right/alt-right is funny and just shows ignorance.
I feel sorry for these people who seem to see nazis everywhere, daily life must be so scary.

 

[Angilion]

To label "Sargon" as right/alt-right is funny and just shows ignorance.
I feel sorry for these people who seem to see nazis everywhere, daily life must be so scary.

I'm not convinced they really do. They are politically astute extremists (or thugs run by politically astute extremists). They're well aware that their views (authoritarianism, irrational prejudices, intolerance, use of violence to gain power over everyone) are not popular, so they have to lie about them in order to work towards getting enough power to force their will on everyone. Creating a bogeyman and falsely accusing everyone who doesn't obey them as being part of the bogeyman is a tried and tested way for such people to implement that lying. It's been done with various bogeymen in the past, most infamously with witches and communists.

 

[Amp34]

Are you suggesting 'right-wingers' in general are somehow comparable to Antifa? I can't tell....

If you watch the first few minutes on youtube(before Antifa crashes the party) you will see that there's nothing controversial being said

Well to be fair, it would just even out the comments as there has already been an association of the “left” with Antifa.

Anyone with “left wing” views (generally considered to be ones people disagree with whether they are actually “left” or not) is considered as bad as Antifa by a significant number of people on this forum...

Idiots are going to idiot tbh.