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Would you think it was perfect if they did it to you?
Free speech not allowed
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i doubt im on the North London Antifa radar. So i can keep spreading my Zionist reindeer Hate cult speech in safety.
I admire them for actually getting off their asses and doing something, no matter how stupid and misguided it is.
I know nothing of this speaker ill go watch him now.
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Please provide a short crib sheet for the rest of the class as we're all too busy swapping football stickers to do our homework.
Sorry quick addendum:
Your right to freedom of expression is only limited (that I know of) by the following:
Inciting hatred (illegal)
Inciting violence (illegal)
Harrassment
Slander/libel.
Beyond that you do have freedom of expression in this country. Either in public spaces or when invited /granted permission on private property.
e: I actually find it quite worrying that people think you don't have a right to freedom of expression. How well do you know this country if you don't think that's a right?
Your right to freedom of expression is only limited (that I know of) by the following:
Inciting hatred (illegal)
Inciting violence (illegal)
Harrassment
Slander/libel.
Beyond that you do have freedom of expression in this country. Either in public spaces or when invited /granted permission on private property.
e: I actually find it quite worrying that people think you don't have a right to freedom of expression. How well do you know this country if you don't think that's a right?
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Most people from the left and the right should be allowed an opinion. I cross the line with religious hardliners (conservative / hard right) and the terminally triggered / offended (hard left).
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However, there is a broad sweep of exceptions including threatening or abusive words or behaviour intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individuals),[2][3][4] sending another any article which is indecent or grossly offensive with an intent to cause distress or anxiety (which has been used to prohibit speech of a racist or anti-religious nature),[5][6][7] incitement,[8] incitement to racial hatred,[9] incitement to religious hatred, incitement to terrorism including encouragement of terrorism and dissemination of terrorist publications,[8][10][11] glorifying terrorism,[12][13] collection or possession of a document or record containing information likely to be of use to a terrorist,[14][15] treason including advocating for the abolition of the monarchy or compassing or imagining the death of the monarch,[16][17][18][19][20] sedition,[17] obscenity,[21] indecency including corruption of public morals and outraging public decency,[22] defamation,[23] prior restraint, restrictions on court reporting including names of victims and evidence and prejudicing or interfering with court proceedings,[24][25] prohibition of post-trial interviews with jurors,[25] time, manner, and place restrictions,[26]harassment, privileged communications, trade secrets, classified material, copyright, patents, military conduct, and limitations on commercial speech such as advertising.
Quick wiki paste but theres a bit extra.
Like I say, a right to hold ideas not express free speech.
but in the context of the thread no they are not right.
How are they as bad as each other? Are you able to further add to that statement as it seems rather dubious at face value. What have the student libertarian society or the speaker done that lead you to conclude that, generally speaking, they're as bad as the group that stormed in wearing masks?
You set the bar real low for your admiration don't you?
You're plain wrong.
As I said, within the law you have the right to freedom of expression.
Since none of those things you said apply at all, the speaker is complying with the law.
Therefore he/she has a right to freedom of expression. It is a fundamental right.
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action speaks louder than words.
ok, admire was the wrong word. Maybe I feel slightly less indifferent towards them for "doing something"
All of you should carry on sitting here in saying how wrong it is. At the end of the day those masked morons got the result they wanted.
The Antifa crowd will win this because they seem to be generally dumber and more action orientated when compared to these pseudo-intellectual commentators and their fans that cry foul when this disruption crap happens.
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Sargon posted a video about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPj3CyBJrIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPj3CyBJrIE
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I was watching some MPs quiz social media companies a week or two ago - it'll be on parliamentlive.tv under fake news - and a major point of it was that someone can make an account on twitter and incite hatred / violence / harasment / slander/libel as much as they like and there's nothing the target can do about it. There was no disagreement from the MPs, who have all had it done to them personally.
Yet the right are feared and victimised in the media, the left antifa are in fact the violent facists.
Lol
I meant more the organisers and the antifa than the students listening. What's that's guys name again. He's been labelled as right wing now and he's probably just out to stir up trouble really masked as standing up for free speech. I could be wrong but he comes across a bit Tommy Robinson without all thr bruises.
He's been labelled "alt-right" by "Anti-fa" and a group within Palestine... he's Jewish isn't he? So yeah, you would expect no love from Palestine.
He called himself liberal and "liberalist", whatever that means. And he vehemently denies being alt-right. In fact he claims the "alt-right" hate him.
So regardless, is the fact that "Anti-fa" and some Palestine activist group labelled him "alt-right" enough to make it true?
e: He's not Jewish, but the guy who he was interviewing/speaking with was. And he himself is apparently often called a "Jewish shill", apparently.
So yeah, it's no great surprise that a Palestinian group would want to discredit him, by labelling him "alt-right".
Kind of funny (stupid) that these "Anti-fa" are chanting "Nazi, Nazi, Fascist, Fascist" at a Jewish guy. Well, not funny, sick.
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Theres no point trying to explain because you're just after a fight yet again, just like in every other subforum.
Just google it. Even when I agree with you, you just end up trying to pick a fight. Obnoxious.
The problem with these guys is that they have 2 personas.
What most of them post on their mainstream youtube channels makes them come across as logical rational intelligent people with another way of thinking.
Then they have this other vitriolic side where it is non-stop cursing and saying outrageous antagonistic things with the protection of not caring about "moral outrage"
it just rubs me up the wrong way... Cant link examples because its riddled with naughty words.
What most of them post on their mainstream youtube channels makes them come across as logical rational intelligent people with another way of thinking.
Then they have this other vitriolic side where it is non-stop cursing and saying outrageous antagonistic things with the protection of not caring about "moral outrage"
it just rubs me up the wrong way... Cant link examples because its riddled with naughty words.
OK but the question still stands. How are they as bad as each other?
You've made a statement that they're as bad as each other but now it seems you don't even know who the speakers were or the organisers...