From 60MPH to 40MPH; Gov Proposals
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Wouldn't it be a better idea to look at the roads which deaths or serious injuries are high and just change them from a NSL to a 40.
How many of them are Bikers?
On my drive to work nearly all the roads that were NSL are now 50 or even 40.
Drives me mad, I mostly ignore them when safe to do so, but they have been laying those rubber strips across the road, guess there will be cameras coming soon
Drives me mad, I mostly ignore them when safe to do so, but they have been laying those rubber strips across the road, guess there will be cameras coming soon
But if the accidents are down to speeding then lowering the speed limit will have no effect.
They don't give figures split up by road and by vehicle type, but about 20% of all fatalities on the roads are motorcyclists.
I have a better idea to save lives kill everyone on the planet, initially it would increase the deaths per year, however after 100 years you will start to save million / billions and eventually trillions of lives since no one would be born to ever die....
either that or let me drive at 60mps, I don't want to waste my time travelling slower to save so few lives!
either that or let me drive at 60mps, I don't want to waste my time travelling slower to save so few lives!
The really worrying bit about the proposal (which does nothing more than streamline the process that councils already have for reducing speed limits) is that the new limited roads need only have a single sign at the start and another at the end - and no repeaters. So if you miss the sign at the start and can't see any of the classic indicators for a 30mph you'll assume it's a 60. Except those drivers who will be panicking about being caught speeding and will treat all such roads at 40s just in case they are. Luckily there's no way that this can be policed except by the odd very rare random check - and the police are likely to tell the councils that they don't have manpower to waste on it. Nothing but politics in action.
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No way !
Almost every time I drive now in a single carriageway i see cars going 45/50mph regardless whether the limit on such road is 60/50 or 40. They seem to be oblivious to speed limit and just drive at a pace they are comfortable at. It annoys the hell out of me, especially when the road is perfectly safe to do 60 in, it is dead straight, in daylight, dry and you can see 300 yards ahead !
Almost every time I drive now in a single carriageway i see cars going 45/50mph regardless whether the limit on such road is 60/50 or 40. They seem to be oblivious to speed limit and just drive at a pace they are comfortable at. It annoys the hell out of me, especially when the road is perfectly safe to do 60 in, it is dead straight, in daylight, dry and you can see 300 yards ahead !
And as ever they're looking at it just in terms of speed.
It's true, rural roads do have more hazards and do require you to be more awake to drive them than dual carriageway / motorway.
But how does telling people they should drive them at 50/60 (cuz lets face it, that's what it will mean unless you get unlucky and find the arrive alive van) solve the problem?
They'll still be dozy twots at 50/60 just slightly slower.
They're got everybody so convinced that safety just revolves around speed (look at the BBC website comments) and are looking at it just in those terms that they seem to be failing to consider all the other dimensions.
I see it all the time with the enforcement too. If there's traffic enforcement it will be a speed camera at the end of a long straight (usually on a bright sunny day). People driving like remtards anywhere else, no interest.
Instead of legislating around a really low common denominator why don't they try improving it a bit and giving learner drivers a bit more education on driving in the countryside?
It's true, rural roads do have more hazards and do require you to be more awake to drive them than dual carriageway / motorway.
But how does telling people they should drive them at 50/60 (cuz lets face it, that's what it will mean unless you get unlucky and find the arrive alive van) solve the problem?
They'll still be dozy twots at 50/60 just slightly slower.
They're got everybody so convinced that safety just revolves around speed (look at the BBC website comments) and are looking at it just in those terms that they seem to be failing to consider all the other dimensions.
I see it all the time with the enforcement too. If there's traffic enforcement it will be a speed camera at the end of a long straight (usually on a bright sunny day). People driving like remtards anywhere else, no interest.
Instead of legislating around a really low common denominator why don't they try improving it a bit and giving learner drivers a bit more education on driving in the countryside?
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Stuck behind a blonde in a Fiat 500 doing 45 in 60 for 15 miles, no chance to overtake. All twisty roads but she did not speed up during the straights, was going way too slow for some gentle bends.
Then stuck behind some other blonde in a Astra. Came to a junction and found out why she was going so slow (or partly why), saw in her wing mirror that her right hand was on the phone talking. I half wanted to beep her to tell her to get off the phone and concentrate on driving.
Then stuck behind some other blonde in a Astra. Came to a junction and found out why she was going so slow (or partly why), saw in her wing mirror that her right hand was on the phone talking. I half wanted to beep her to tell her to get off the phone and concentrate on driving.
Has this already come into effect?
There's a stretch of road locally that has been dropped from 40 to 30.
Now there's an estate set a good distance back on the right side of the road behind a long hedge and a golf course on the left which is completely fenced off and there's no footpaths running along this road.
Fair enough though, the limit is now 30. Unfortunately the only time I realised they had changed the limit was when I passed the sign leaving the 30 zone as they've located the new signs so near to the junction that unless you actually look for them you'll miss them when turning into this road and there's not a single repeater along the length.
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When the BBC interviewed someone from the government on this on the news the other day they were quite clear that this would not be every road as the cost of changing all the road signs would be way to high.
It smacks of Lib Dem ideology, ignoring the facts at hand and doing it anyway. There were more deaths than the previous year, so lets cut the limits. Where is the statistics to backup that speed is the cause? Where is careless and dangerous driving? Higher than speed I can guarantee it.
There are examples of councils imposing blanket 20mph limits across urban areas at the cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds, and not one case of Police giving out a speeding ticket. When people do not regard the limit as right they ignore it, and that just makes the whole exercise utterly pointless.
I know exactly the roads the mean in the proposals and I would never dream of going anywhere near 60mph, it's been fine the way it is for many years, so why change it? Because Left Wing.
There are examples of councils imposing blanket 20mph limits across urban areas at the cost of hundreds of thousands of pounds, and not one case of Police giving out a speeding ticket. When people do not regard the limit as right they ignore it, and that just makes the whole exercise utterly pointless.
I know exactly the roads the mean in the proposals and I would never dream of going anywhere near 60mph, it's been fine the way it is for many years, so why change it? Because Left Wing.
Have you noticed recently that the speed limit was dropped to 40/50 on the B3151 (Street to A472 via Somerton) yet has not gone back up to 60 (if we ignore Compton where it was 30 anyway)?
The most moronic thing about the speed limit reduction was it wasn't consistant at all. You had a posted limit of 40 one way, but 50 or in some cases NSL the other on the same stretch of road. The posted limit on the road didn't match the signs either.
Even now they still have the random 40 repeator here and there confusing the hell out of anyone who doesn't know the road.
The major issue with this sort of idea from the Government is that it will achieve the grand total of nothing.
They go after speeding as if its the only cause for accidents, yet ignore the other glaring issues like poor driving ability, layout / visibility of junctions, signposting and just general lack of attention.
Agree 100% some of the new limits make the roads painful and confusing to drive on down here, and I am often thinking to myself, why don't they change that layout to XYZ. A case in point is the crossroads on the B3151, Reynaulds Way and Cockrod. The junction is on the brow of a hill, and you take your life in your hands pulling out of either of the 2 named roads, as they are almost completely blind, as well as very busy. Never has a junction needed a roundabout more.
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May be true but it doesn't say how many of those deaths were related to excessive speed.
If it goes through it'll make my weekend jaunts out in my Westfield very dull - they are already implementing blanket 20mph zones around here
http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/atoz/a_to_z/service.asp?u_id=3426&tab=1
That's why I now cycle to work most of the time - it's quicker!
Well, that's better than some idiot doing 75 in a 60 and crashing into a tree.