Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)

Tinders said:
ICE prices may drop, but not hugely, most can’t afford a new or even used electric car. The fuel hikes will kill diesel off 1st I guess.
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Why do you think this, given the obvious fuel efficiency benefits of diesel? (It's the whole point of diesel).

I've personally been very surprised at how quickly people were happy to move to often considerably more inefficient petrol versions of cars such as SUVs. We're buying less efficient cars than we used to just at the point at which fuel hits record prices.
 
Rilot said:
I don't remember diesel ever being cheaper per litre than petrol in the UK.
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Diesel was always the cheaper fuel through the 80's and early 90's

Funnily enough, it only consistently got more expensive after the large uptake of diesel cars, though it has had a couple of brief blips since.
 
They need to reduce the VAT or take it off. I've been saying this for months now. Same for fuel as for energy. Double dipping on the petrol taxes has always been a bit egregious. The government are baking in inflation with higher energy costs and taxes on taxes at each stage of producing goods. They're bringing home enormous amounts of extra VAT at the moment.
 
MagicBoy said:
They need to reduce the VAT or take it off. I've been saying this for months now. Same for fuel as for energy. Double dipping on the petrol taxes has always been a bit egregious. The government are baking in inflation with higher energy costs and taxes on taxes at each stage of producing goods. They're bringing home enormous amounts of extra VAT at the moment.
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Without some pretty strict regulation though it is likely prices will remain as they are with the money going into other hands instead as profit...
 
Rroff said:
Without some pretty strict regulation though it is likely prices will remain as they are with the money going into other hands instead as profit...
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Yeah.

They'll never agree to that though as it means:
1) a bigger public sector, and they're currently trying to downsize it despite needing more cause they did the B word and that means more red tape and
2) they let business do whatever they want as long as the political donations keep flooding in.

At some point they'll have to go after greed and profiteering. It'll just be too late when they do.

I'm off to squeeze a couple gallons in my tank in protest. :cry:
 
the petrol 'monies'/profits are not going into uk companies coffers, it's a global scale issue - eg. significant diesel/petrol chunk is coming from Norway ..
maybe the EU could ask them to give mates rates, and to stop exporting oil to china, or fork out more for ukraine weapons.

Probably an irony that their/Norway deployment of ev's is leading (the world ?)
 
I just came back from the Canary Islands, the fuel there is 1.5 euros per litre for unleaded and that's fairly consistent across all the islands. I'm assuming the tax situation may be different there, but then again its part of Spain? I don't know but was fairly annoyed to come back to petrol being 10p a litre more than when I left.
 
panthro said:
I just came back from the Canary Islands, the fuel there is 1.5 euros per litre for unleaded and that's fairly consistent across all the islands. I'm assuming the tax situation may be different there, but then again its part of Spain? I don't know but was fairly annoyed to come back to petrol being 10p a litre more than when I left.
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Just 10p more? Had You only gone for the day? :cry: :(
 
[TW]Fox said:
Why do you think this, given the obvious fuel efficiency benefits of diesel? (It's the whole point of diesel).

I've personally been very surprised at how quickly people were happy to move to often considerably more inefficient petrol versions of cars such as SUVs. We're buying less efficient cars than we used to just at the point at which fuel hits record prices.
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Relatively speaking cars and fuel have never been cheaper its only lately its hit people hard in the wallet the fuel escalator I think it was called used to increase duty on fuel at every budget until someone decided it was losing votes ever since then cars have gotten larger and more fuel inefficient cars used to be a luxury item few people could afford now every other car on the road appears to be an SUV
 
[TW]Fox said:
Why do you think this, given the obvious fuel efficiency benefits of diesel? (It's the whole point of diesel).

I've personally been very surprised at how quickly people were happy to move to often considerably more inefficient petrol versions of cars such as SUVs. We're buying less efficient cars than we used to just at the point at which fuel hits record prices.
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Among other factors I think people, especially those into cars, underestimate how many people prefer a higher ride height than many traditional cars. Despite that often comes with reduced ride comfort.
 
People jumped to petrol because of emission scandals relating to Diesel and changes in tax laws (I'm not suggesting that the tax changes outweigh the benefits of diesel, but it seems to factor into people's thinking). Rightly or wrongly people used to buy diesels because they were typically £30/year or less to tax. Now it's more like £150+ plus with diesel cars often costing about £1500 more than the petrol equivalent, more chance of a Diesel SUV hitting the luxury car tax threshold. There is also less choice of diesel engines these days from some marques, as they shift focus more towards hybrid/electric. Finally, people are driving less miles these days which offsets some of the rising fuel cost. Average mileage for a petrol car in 2020 was under 6k.

Rilot said:
I don't remember diesel ever being cheaper per litre than petrol in the UK.
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It's flipped back and forth a couple of times. 20 years ago diesel was slightly more expensive, say 90p instead of 87p. Then there was a period I guess around 7-8 years ago where petrol was more expensive, maybe 120p vs 118p or whatever. Now Diesel is most expensive again.
 
Isn’t that more due to supply and demand than a thing else? Demand went up, as such so did the price. We have to import refined diesel because we can’t make enough here.

It’s not just cars, there are more vans and trucks around than ever before.

Despite engines getting more and more efficient, we are actually burning more fuel due to the rise in the number of vehicles on the roads and those vehicles getting bigger. Electrics and hybrids have slightly tapered the increased demand but have not yet flipped it down to refusing consumption.

I think demand in Norway have only just flipped the other way and they are way more electrified than we are.
 
Well that was a pricey fill this morning, £78 from 1/4 tank. Super now 1.88, was around 1.75 last time. Max fill at a pump still £100 I notice, how does that work once you reach it, start a new transaction?
 
BUDFORCE said:
I might buy a horse soon.

1 horsepower, runs on grass, and you can use the emissions to grow your vegetables.
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Horses have high maintenance costs so I've bought a bike to use for short journeys this week. I'm sure everyone else on the road will waste their expensive fuel overtaking me to get to the next red light first. :cry:
 
Rroff said:
Among other factors I think people, especially those into cars, underestimate how many people prefer a higher ride height than many traditional cars. Despite that often comes with reduced ride comfort.
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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with swapping between diesel and petrol in the same type of car.
 
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