Caporegime
Yep pushed out by cheap foreign labour.
Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)
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Yep pushed out by cheap foreign labour.
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The studies I found show a 5% decrease in wages due to immigration, where is the other 25-30% coming from? Let me guess you don't have anything to back up your thoughts? Probably only some screenshots of newspapers?
Soldato
And on the other news, Energy prices set to quadruple in 6 months.. EV prices to plunge..
Like all good people, I am not rushing out to fill my M3 up just to ensure I can get to work for the next 2 weeks.. (I have already got the Mrs to do it for me, so that doesn't count, right?)..
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It's perfect timing for me, just about to start a week of driving to various places around the country...
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I didn't think it was a problem https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...ts-Are-Facing-Serious-Jet-Fuel-Shortages.html
Was being commented on chat at work that the queues to get into the fuel stations are big and it is causing traffic chaos - haven't ventured out myself yet. Some of my relatives have cancelled a visit as it is chaos in their town and they don't have enough fuel to get here and back if the availability gets hit.
Soldato
Got stuck trying to do my usual fill up this morning due to panic buying, we've got a station up the road from work and the roads been blocked both ways since 08:00, madness
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Filled up yesterday for my standard weekly 25L. Filled up work's van today as was near red, had to queue for 20mins. Forecourt said they've got loads, just people have lost their minds.
Xmas "shortage" is going to be another joke. People will buy even more, and then throw away even more food wastage. Madness.
Xmas "shortage" is going to be another joke. People will buy even more, and then throw away even more food wastage. Madness.
interesting point - are the (public) ev fill-up price going up.
free options suspended ...
Soldato
Just been out at lunch and couldnt get in Costco for some lunch so went to Sainsburys and they were packed as well.
Did Boris print the newspaper headlines screaming about a non existent shortage??? This panic buying is the fault of the media. They should be in prison for their lies if you ask me.
How about 20 years of experience in the industry? The driving the down pay and conditions hasn't just happened in this country, go ask a Dutch or French truck driver their thoughts on freedom of movement and cabotage, but I guess they are all thick racist gammon. The EU along with individual governments has enabled a system that allowed big business to exploit workers. Ask a Bulgarian or a Romanian how the current system treats them. Being paid the very low wages of the old eastern bloc to work for months at a time in the western and northern European countries. It's as unfair on them as it is the workers they replace by being able to work for less than the market rate.
Hahaha, must be Brexit.
The whole driver shortage is also a massive red herring. There are something like 300,000 more HGV license holders than there are vacancies. The question is not where the workers have gone, but why they don't want to drive.
I'm sure Scania agrees pay is one aspect, but who here would want to work any random 5 days from 7 as most jobs offer right now. No weekend premium, no bank holiday premium, no bonus for unsocial hours. No decent facilities on the road. Very little genuinely safe and secure parking. Banned outright from parking in Kent outside of expensive and undersized truck parks. 15 hour shifts 3 days a week, with as little as 9 hours off, then another 3x13 hour shifts. Up to 21 hours duty time if double manning, again with 9 hours off. Locked in tiny stuffy waiting rooms sitting on a plastic chair for 3 hours while your unloaded because your banned from sitting in your cab. Banned form the using the toilets at many site you deliver to. Turned away if your early, rejected if your late, oh, and banned from parking on the very industrial estates your delivering to. Tachographs, driving facing cameras, Microlise monitoring. Some pointy shoe wearing office clerk telling you how you should be driving when they've never been in a truck. We are hated if we drive during the day, we are hated if we deliver at night.
I certainly wouldn't choose this industry if I was starting out my working life now.
Man of Honour
No problems up here, fuel has increased by 2p a litre from last week though.
Soldato
Glad I filled up earlier in the week, even if £92 to do so shocked me a bit. Should last a couple of weeks.
Wife's car is a bit low, though. Probably needs filling over the weekend, annoyingly.
Wife's car is a bit low, though. Probably needs filling over the weekend, annoyingly.
Ah I did wonder why local shell garage was unusually busy at 5am this morning.
Why do people think panic buying fuel achieves anything, it's not like you can realistically store it so as soon as your tank is nearing empty you're in the same boat as everyone else.
Why do people think panic buying fuel achieves anything, it's not like you can realistically store it so as soon as your tank is nearing empty you're in the same boat as everyone else.
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I only found out last night on the 10 o'clock news by which time the forecourts will be closed. Was in sainsburys earlier too. I expect everywheres sold out by now. Local newspaper reports "chaos" across town and long delays to bus timetables due to roads being blocked by drivers queueing for hours. Police have even released a public statement. Hopefully by the time I'm in dire need of fuel i.e. next week the panic will have died down otherwise it'll be multiple bus trips everywhere. Oh joy.
when there was the fuel shortage previously people were driving around all the stations trying to find one open and join a queue just to top up their tanks when they were almost full basically just burning any fuel they can pick up in the process this is the kind of panic mentality that seizes peoples minds
Guy we found the Remainer in the thread!
when there was the fuel shortage previously people were driving around all the stations trying to find one open and join a queue just to top up their tanks when they were almost full basically just burning any fuel they can pick up in the process this is the kind of panic mentality that seizes peoples minds
Guy we found the Remainer in the thread!
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Soldato
Indeed, which is why I think this wont last too long.
Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of it is the people who normally only top up '£10 a week because that's all I need', so by panic buying, they actually now have a 4 week 'store' that they normally wouldn't have, so in their mind have now secured their supply and don't need to worry about if there's any fuel left for next week's £10 top up.
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I've always fancied doing some ice road trucking, looks fun!