Full Sleeve.
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Why should it affect your job prospects? Wear long sleeved shirts.
Yes, I know some employers have very strict rules about no tattoos at all. In that case the OP must be happy to never work for these people. If he's OK with that, where's the problem?
Yes, I know some employers have very strict rules about no tattoos at all. In that case the OP must be happy to never work for these people. If he's OK with that, where's the problem?
DailyGeek said:
Conversely, I know too many people who have got a small tattoo 'to start with' that has seriously hindered later plans for larger work.
Go big.
Gilly said:She's German and therefore doesn't count
Mine's English and we couldn't be more dissimilar - I'm a big, rough, pierced-and-inked type...she's a petite fashionista...One or two piercings though...
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Neon said:
The only problem is that you're one of a million young men who want to work in studios and the reality is that it won't happen.
I hear young men saying this every week and I don't know anybody who its happened to yet.
1 - James.Miller - how on earth have you continued that argument when it was clear from the start that you were arguing a different point to JohnnyG? Even i could see what he meant from the start!!
2 - Neon - i believe that people can choose a path in life, then change it later on. By getting a full sleeve you are choosing a path, unfortunately i cant see that there will be much chance of a huge change of life path with something like you are planning. You will follow the same path which could mean a lot of missed opportunities.
Give yourself the best chances in life that you can.
From that, i would agree with what some others have said, start small, get a small section done and have that or a while. then when you have got used to it and thought about it, you may decide that that is enough, or you will have the knowledge in yourself to carry on and finish the job.
2 - Neon - i believe that people can choose a path in life, then change it later on. By getting a full sleeve you are choosing a path, unfortunately i cant see that there will be much chance of a huge change of life path with something like you are planning. You will follow the same path which could mean a lot of missed opportunities.
Give yourself the best chances in life that you can.
From that, i would agree with what some others have said, start small, get a small section done and have that or a while. then when you have got used to it and thought about it, you may decide that that is enough, or you will have the knowledge in yourself to carry on and finish the job.
. But if your sure ** not going to regret it then go for it.
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penski said:
She is very stylish and lovely.
And you... you are fun
if a little bit scary at first 
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I know you've already said that your mind is made up, but I recommend you take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
First of all, why do you want to get this done? Are you doing it for yourself, or to impress those around you? The way I see it, I don't need to cover my body in tattoos to satisfy myself, and whilst I'm all for being unique, are you saying that you are not unique enough at the moment? In case you are doing it to impress others, how are you going to react when you come into contact with people who aren't impressed with it? I wouldn't describe myself as an overly prejudiced person, but I know seeing someone with a full-arm tattoo would certainly contribute to a general sense of unease. If I got to know you I could probably see past the tattoo, but as far as first impressions go, I'd have a propensity to be more suspicious of someone with tattoos than someone without.
A lot of people supporting you have mentioned that you can just cover it up, but thats not a viable solution in my eyes. What happens when you want to wear a t-shirt outside, but are afraid of being judged based on your tattoo? If you express yourself through means such as the way you dress, the jewellry you wear and the way you act, you can adapt to your surroundings. Get a tattoo and you're pretty much stuck with it for life — you can't get rid of it for a couple of days.
You seem quite set in your ways with regards to where you see yourself in ten, twenty years time, but what happens if things get turned on their head? As dmpoole stated, there are a million and one people with career aspirations identical to yours, and the vast majority of those are not going to get where they want to. It's all well and good using the excuse that the people you want to work with won't bat an eyelid at the sight of a tattoo, but what happens when that career path falls through? You are effectively locking yourself into a certain career path, and I don't think that's a good idea, especially at your age.
The truth is, I can guarantee that, if you decide to go ahead with this, there will be times when you regret it. It may be when you're stood at the checkout in a supermarket and the person at the till is giving you filthy looks, it may be when you're turned down for a job because the interviewer/employer doesn't agree with your desire to stand out, it may be when you've found the girl of your dreams only for her to leave you at the sight of your tattoo. It will happen. Ask yourself: are there going to be times when you feel the opposite? Are you going to look at your arm on a regular basis and feel comforted by the fact that you are unique, that you are an individual?
P.S. All the way through this thread I've had this image of an elderly person sat in an old people's home with a full-arm tattoo which has had me giggling every few minutes
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First of all, why do you want to get this done? Are you doing it for yourself, or to impress those around you? The way I see it, I don't need to cover my body in tattoos to satisfy myself, and whilst I'm all for being unique, are you saying that you are not unique enough at the moment? In case you are doing it to impress others, how are you going to react when you come into contact with people who aren't impressed with it? I wouldn't describe myself as an overly prejudiced person, but I know seeing someone with a full-arm tattoo would certainly contribute to a general sense of unease. If I got to know you I could probably see past the tattoo, but as far as first impressions go, I'd have a propensity to be more suspicious of someone with tattoos than someone without.
A lot of people supporting you have mentioned that you can just cover it up, but thats not a viable solution in my eyes. What happens when you want to wear a t-shirt outside, but are afraid of being judged based on your tattoo? If you express yourself through means such as the way you dress, the jewellry you wear and the way you act, you can adapt to your surroundings. Get a tattoo and you're pretty much stuck with it for life — you can't get rid of it for a couple of days.
You seem quite set in your ways with regards to where you see yourself in ten, twenty years time, but what happens if things get turned on their head? As dmpoole stated, there are a million and one people with career aspirations identical to yours, and the vast majority of those are not going to get where they want to. It's all well and good using the excuse that the people you want to work with won't bat an eyelid at the sight of a tattoo, but what happens when that career path falls through? You are effectively locking yourself into a certain career path, and I don't think that's a good idea, especially at your age.
The truth is, I can guarantee that, if you decide to go ahead with this, there will be times when you regret it. It may be when you're stood at the checkout in a supermarket and the person at the till is giving you filthy looks, it may be when you're turned down for a job because the interviewer/employer doesn't agree with your desire to stand out, it may be when you've found the girl of your dreams only for her to leave you at the sight of your tattoo. It will happen. Ask yourself: are there going to be times when you feel the opposite? Are you going to look at your arm on a regular basis and feel comforted by the fact that you are unique, that you are an individual?
P.S. All the way through this thread I've had this image of an elderly person sat in an old people's home with a full-arm tattoo which has had me giggling every few minutes
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^TANK^ said:Nice one neon im glad your going with the best
He is from the sound of it. It's very cheap, all good Tattoo artist I know charge double that atleast (but I'm talking very good, not run of the mill).
Neon said:
And if somethiong bad happens and you lose your Hearing? What will you do then?
I know some people have managed to make it deaf but it wouldnt be extreemly easy.
And you might be 100% certian that you will make it but i know a lot of people that have been 100% ceritain that they would make it in there chosen path and have got great marks and acheivments for doing it in there first year or in school and uni but just cant do it any more or miss out on all the Opitunitys and luck that they needed.
Its not just about you, Its about the people around you and the enormous amount of luck you need to make it, With out that you wont get anywhere really
Al Vallario said:
Quite interesting, that.
Regarding the first part, I feel that you are reading far more into this than there is.
Regarding the later part, do you actually feel uneasy around heavily inked people? This in itself seems rather alien to me; roughly akin to feeling uneasy around black people...But then I've been 'around' very heavily modified people (both privately and publicly) for most of the last ten years.
What is it about a person with tattoos that makes you "suspicious"? What are you suspicious of?
If you are that weak-willed, I would imagine that you have trouble leaving the house.
What if someone judges me based on my tattoos? What if someone judges me based on my piercings? What if someone judges me based on my clothes? On my beard? On my haircut? On the way I use my walk (I'm a woman's man)?
I really cannot think of an occasion which would require my tattoos to be 'hidden'.
If it is a professional occasion or formal social event, I will be wearing one of my suits, leaving my neck, head and hands 'naked'. These are what I consider 'public' skin - that which is not 'shielded from view' when in normal attire.
As the discussion is concerning 'private' and 'semi-private' skin - that which is covered by everyday attire whether social or professional, your point seems moot.
Furthermore, tattoos can be covered by heavy foundation makeups designed explicitly for the task.
This is one point where I have to agree; Neon's chosen career path is one which is INCREDIBLY difficult to get into. One which I have seen many aquaintances attempt. Few have succeeded.
I'm going to have to dispute this point. Unless you wish to work for a naked conservative legal practice, you still have as many career avenues open to you as a plainskin does. The only hinderance anyone should expect to encounter stems from their own lack of self-confidence. Think about it - how often do you see your colleague's upper arms? All of their arms? Their backs? Their legs? Their torsos?
I will virtually put money on the table and say that you can walk into any workplace in this country with more than fifteen people in it and at least one person will have a tattoo of some form on their bodies.
Personally, I would much rather regret the actions which I have taken whilst still able to do so than to regret never doing them before it was too late...
Again, this returns to my question of will; do you really care what someone on a till thinks of you? How does that impact your life? I have prominent wrist tattoos which are seen by people on tills on a daily basis. They probably make assumptions based on them but do I care? Not a jot! These individuals are of no consequence to me and how I go about my day; their role in my life is to take my money, give me my change, smile and say thank you.
As I ntoed arlier, we are dealing with private and semi-private skin.
I don't know about you but I always present myself impeccably in a professional situation; if an interview requires it, I shall dress smart-casual (which always includes a long-sleeved shirt). More often than not, the role for which I am being interviewed for demands that I wear an appropriate suit, shirt and tie which I am more than happy to do.
Furthermore, I have never once been asked if I have tattoos at an interview and have never been asked to take items of clothing off. Maybe I'm applying for the wrong jobs...
It may seem trite but if she would do such a thing, she could not have been the 'girl of my dreams'. Besides, I've found her and she's fine with my ink.
In my personal experience, as an individual with semi-public ink (that which is exposed by a short-sleeved shirt or by wearing shorts), I say that no, it will not happen unless you make a habit for turning up to a business interview in shorts and a T-shirt. Taking this point further, as someone who has modified those parts of their body which are 'public' to an extent where it cannot be returned to 'normal' without surgical intervention (surely a position relevant to 'public' ink, non?), I maintain that life is what you make of it. I get two reactions from having massive holes in my ears: either Positivity or Curiousity. On the very, very rare occasion on which I get a negative reaction, it is invariably from a drunken charver who mumbles something along the lines of "How, yee! What's with them holes in yer lugs?! Ya ****in' freak, like!" at which point I refer to my earlier point; what consequence is that individual to my life?
I've had people ask me on the street if I'm penski. I don't look like most people as a consequence of decisions which I have made: Modifications, my beard, my hair, my glasses. Evidently I am readily identifiable as a result of these decisions.
But, more importantly, am I happy with who I am?
Hell, yeah. I'm fantastic.
I'm happy having a big belly, I'm happy having a big beard, I'm happy with every single thing about my appearance. I'm happy with my outlook on life, I'm happy with my sense of humour, I'm happy with the knowledge that I'm simply just awesome.
Would I change anything about my appearance?
Yes, I would and I will when the time is right. A lot of ink (large, coherant pieces), even larger earlobes (50mm?), heavy scarification work, a split tongue, more 'fun' piercings and implants...
P.S. All the way through this thread I've had this image of an elderly person sat in an old people's home with a full-arm tattoo which has had me giggling every few minutes
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You can say one thing...In sixty years' time, nursing homes are going to be very colourful places
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as for prices yes it sounds cheap but im going off what my friend has said.
as for the tattooist tattooing me i am not sure how much she charges, im not fussed as long as she does the job and does it well.
a lot have things have been said. but tattoos are coverable. im not fussed what many people say or think about me, im me. and i dont need a tattoo to be unique at all.
but if someone could talk to me, even when i have this sleeve done. they can honestly see what kinda person im like.
the whole girl thing if she didnt want me because of some ink on my skin, and couldnt see past it, shes definately not the girl for me.
i can wear long sleeve shirtsm use heavy foundation, when the time calls for it. people dont need to know its there in the work place. when im out of the work place i can always be myself again.
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Theres a girl at work. who loves the idea of big tattoos, there is people who truely appreciate this type of work.
i spoke to one lady at work. who knows me well. supposebly im her favourite member of staff and she doesnt even work in the building, she didnt say it was a good or bad idea. all she said was its only a picture on your skin, it wont change who you are. i know, and everybody else knows what your like. so why not?
-- as for the elderly peoples home. at least i can say ive lived. and done most things ive wanted in my life. i hope at that age.
as for the tattooist tattooing me i am not sure how much she charges, im not fussed as long as she does the job and does it well.
a lot have things have been said. but tattoos are coverable. im not fussed what many people say or think about me, im me. and i dont need a tattoo to be unique at all.
but if someone could talk to me, even when i have this sleeve done. they can honestly see what kinda person im like.
the whole girl thing if she didnt want me because of some ink on my skin, and couldnt see past it, shes definately not the girl for me.
i can wear long sleeve shirtsm use heavy foundation, when the time calls for it. people dont need to know its there in the work place. when im out of the work place i can always be myself again.
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Theres a girl at work. who loves the idea of big tattoos, there is people who truely appreciate this type of work.
i spoke to one lady at work. who knows me well. supposebly im her favourite member of staff and she doesnt even work in the building, she didnt say it was a good or bad idea. all she said was its only a picture on your skin, it wont change who you are. i know, and everybody else knows what your like. so why not?
-- as for the elderly peoples home. at least i can say ive lived. and done most things ive wanted in my life. i hope at that age.
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Neon said:
I wish I had a £1.
My mate Geoff sent his son to a proper place in London for four years (SSC!) at a cost of £5000 a year (+ lodgings etc) and he's come back fully certificated in sound production but can't get a job. I know 100's of young men, some now older men, who thought they could do what you dream of and it just hasn't happened.
In this type of job its more of a 'who do you know?' and 'are you willing to work for nothing?'. I've had my own studios and I've worked at a lot of other studios including the BBC but I never got a penny in my pocket. In fact I daren't add up how much I've lost and a bloke I worked for lost so much money with studios that he eventually lost his house (and life). And yes, he did produce excellent results and also charged a fair price.
You are building your own studio now but the skill will be to get customers and then get repeat customers. Also remember that studios are ten a penny and anybody can buy one (even my 72 year old Dad hads got a 16 track).
If you want to be a drummer then just realise that you will have to learn every style going and you have got to get out there now playing with everybody spreading your name.
I wish you all the luck in the world but through my own personal experience and watching the shattered dreams of hundreds of others, I can feel quite confidant it won't happen.
And back on track - If I walked into a studio and I was greeted by a bloke with full tattoos it would put me off because I associate tattoos with being a bit thick (especially if they're spelt wrong).
Well you can have two shiny ones from heredmpoole said:
.At Neon's age I had exactly the same idea. I had work experience in studios, was in bands, was doing the recording-thing for myself and friends, and completely set on my future career path in sound-engineering. I even held the strong belief that I would never be working in an office environment.
What d'ya know, funnily enough a few years later (after university) I realised I actually enjoyed something else equally as much, with much better prospects and chance of success. I am working in an office, doing what I now love, and I'm quite happy where I've got to - though I've still got a long time ahead of me, so who knows. Not to say I took the easy path, or 'sold out'; I'm just doing now what I want to do, not what I once believed I wanted to (that I can now do just for fun).
Incidentally, I was firmly set on being a vet before that.
I also have a good friend who completed the degree at the SAE, and they don't feel like they want to continue that path after seeing the possibilites on offer either (found it incredibly difficult to get in to the industry).
Here's an appropriate quote from a song: