G. Skill announces memory for AMD 5000 series

Hmm there is actually a 4x8gb version of the same 3800 CL14 kit, although it’s £80 more (ooof).

Presumably there’s not enough in it to warrant the cost of the 4x8gb over the 2x16gb?
 
Nitefly said:
Just bopped in a pre-order for the Trident Z Neo DDR4-3800 CL14-16-16-36 32GB (16GBx2) kit.

Says in the link in the OP that it's B-Die... so 4 ranks (woo).

Was just under £350. Thought it was worth a punt and I quite like the RGB.
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Just jumped on the same preorder today. Seems to be the best balance of speed, tight timings and pretty rgb.

I wonder if it comes with free bratwurst?
 
Combat Fighter said:
Just jumped on the same preorder today. Seems to be the best balance of speed, tight timings and pretty rgb.

I wonder if it comes with free bratwurst?
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I think mine is more likely to come with fish and chips...? :p

Any thoughts on the 4x8gb I mentioned above?

I do find it hard to understand the pros and cons vs 4 and 2 dimms (assuming both options are dual ranked) and I ultimately gather it’s much of a muchness.
 
I bought some gskill ripjaw v 4000 cl16 for my 5800x

It's running at 3800mhz 14,15,8,12, 22,35 1:1 couldn't recommend it enough

55.1ns latency
 
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Nitefly said:
I think mine is more likely to come with fish and chips...? :p

Any thoughts on the 4x8gb I mentioned above?

I do find it hard to understand the pros and cons vs 4 and 2 dimms (assuming both options are dual ranked) and I ultimately gather it’s much of a muchness.
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Well the way I’m looking at it 2 sticks is easier to keep cool vs 4 sticks as it runs at 1.5v and won’t be bunched up together.

Performance wise they should be the same.

I’d stick with 2 sticks mate.

Did you order yours from Germany?
 
Combat Fighter said:
Well the way I’m looking at it 2 sticks is easier to keep cool vs 4 sticks as it runs at 1.5v and won’t be bunched up together.

Performance wise they should be the same.

I’d stick with 2 sticks mate.

Did you order yours from Germany?
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Cheers for the comments.

I thought it was UK, but it’s actually based in Ireland.
 
Nitefly said:
Hmm there is actually a 4x8gb version of the same 3800 CL14 kit, although it’s £80 more (ooof).

Presumably there’s not enough in it to warrant the cost of the 4x8gb over the 2x16gb?
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I have been running the 3800 CL14 8x4 kit for the last couple of weeks, but haven't been tightened any timings or done anything with them other than fun XMP down clocked to 3600 CL14 @ 1.4v as my 3950X won't run stable at 1900 FLK. Waiting for the 5950X to come and then will try.

On the Ryzen Calculator My Ram quality on the second page is 114 or 115%, my previous set TridentZ RGB 4133 CL19 were rated at 90%.

Im also interested to see how the 16gbx2 3800 CL14 compares to these as 2 sticks is meant to run tighter.

I know Colorful are releasing a 4000 CL14 kit which will be interesting too.
 
OC2000 said:
I have been running the 3800 CL14 8x4 kit for the last couple of weeks, but haven't been tightened any timings or done anything with them other than fun XMP down clocked to 3600 CL14 @ 1.4v as my 3950X won't run stable at 1900 FLK. Waiting for the 5950X to come and then will try.

On the Ryzen Calculator My Ram quality on the second page is 114 or 115%, my previous set TridentZ RGB 4133 CL19 were rated at 90%.

Im also interested to see how the 16gbx2 3800 CL14 compares to these as 2 sticks is meant to run tighter.

I know Colorful are releasing a 4000 CL14 kit which will be interesting too.
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Regards the ryzen calc - if you are running below the stock speed of your XMP it screws up the quality output, all dram calc does is rate the SPD programming of your memory sticks. All memory sticks with SPD programming at the same timings and frequency will have the same rating - that has been my finding anyway. All Patriot 4400 C19 sticks get a rating of 94% at 3800mhz, the rating never changes even when some individual sticks are clearly much higher quality than others.

2 sticks runs to higher mhz, not tighter timings. The only timings that should be affected are tRDRDDD and tWRWRDD compared to running 2 sticks (unless the second pair of slots on the board are utter trash).

You wont see the colorful ram over here, its a headline grabber and will be released in extremely short supply mostly to reviewers and serious overclockers so that colorful can grab some media headlines. The default voltage is 1.65v and there are no heatspreaders because its intended to be used in LN2 setups if the various asian forum leaks are to be believed (I have no reason to disbelieve them, it makes sense given what we know already). This is colorful trying to make a name for themselves as a performance/overclocking memory producer.
 
OC2000 said:
I have been running the 3800 CL14 8x4 kit for the last couple of weeks, but haven't been tightened any timings or done anything with them other than fun XMP down clocked to 3600 CL14 @ 1.4v as my 3950X won't run stable at 1900 FLK. Waiting for the 5950X to come and then will try.

On the Ryzen Calculator My Ram quality on the second page is 114 or 115%, my previous set TridentZ RGB 4133 CL19 were rated at 90%.

Im also interested to see how the 16gbx2 3800 CL14 compares to these as 2 sticks is meant to run tighter.

I know Colorful are releasing a 4000 CL14 kit which will be interesting too.
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From my extremely limited understanding, the difference will be in the T command rating as single rank sticks are more likely to run on T1 than T2. But then that’ll will make the sticks otherwise less able to have tight timings.

However, that may be a complete misreading....

@MrPils will know *cheeky schoolboy tag* :o he always knows :p

Maybe you should set up a patron for helping us noobs!
 
MrPils said:
Regards the ryzen calc - if you are running below the stock speed of your XMP it screws up the quality output, all dram calc does is rate the SPD programming of your memory sticks. All memory sticks with SPD programming at the same timings and frequency will have the same rating - that has been my finding anyway. All Patriot 4400 C19 sticks get a rating of 94% at 3800mhz, the rating never changes even when some individual sticks are clearly much higher quality than others.

2 sticks runs to higher mhz, not tighter timings. The only timings that should be affected are tRDRDDD and tWRWRDD compared to running 2 sticks (unless the second pair of slots on the board are utter trash).

You wont see the colorful ram over here, its a headline grabber and will be released in extremely short supply mostly to reviewers and serious overclockers so that colorful can grab some media headlines. The default voltage is 1.65v and there are no heatspreaders because its intended to be used in LN2 setups if the various asian forum leaks are to be believed (I have no reason to disbelieve them, it makes sense given what we know already). This is colorful trying to make a name for themselves as a performance/overclocking memory producer.
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The ram ninja himself, hi there
 
With 4 equally good quality B-Die single rank sticks you can run T1, though running GDM enabled leaves a bit of slack to allow for equalising the modules. Most of the time people don't go to the effort of finding out which individual sticks prefer which slots or binning many sticks to find 4 with equal abilities. In an ideal world you would have 4 very closely matched sticks then test each of them individually (a post test and fixed timings and voltage is fine - 14-14-14-28-1T 1.35v works well) to rate your modules in order of best to worst. At that point you can either put the worst sticks in the primary slots and the best in the secondary slots or you can go further down the rabbithole by checking to see which sticks train better in which slots. Its part of the reason I run ITX boards, I'm lazy and it means I'm never tempted to deal with 4 sticks, I had my fill of that with X58, x79 and x99... I ran 8 x 8gb on x58 when I only had one pc so had to use my overclocking toy as a workstation too. Nowadays I have an x99 system chugging away at stock and something easier to toy with :)

Running GDM can frequently be beneficial anyway, if it lets you reduce timings (tCL, tRDRD or tRRD especially) or if you can gain more than 66mhz with it enabled you can easily overcome the latency penalty.
 
MrPils said:
With 4 equally good quality B-Die single rank sticks you can run T1, though running GDM enabled leaves a bit of slack to allow for equalising the modules. Most of the time people don't go to the effort of finding out which individual sticks prefer which slots or binning many sticks to find 4 with equal abilities. In an ideal world you would have 4 very closely matched sticks then test each of them individually (a post test and fixed timings and voltage is fine - 14-14-14-28-1T 1.35v works well) to rate your modules in order of best to worst. At that point you can either put the worst sticks in the primary slots and the best in the secondary slots or you can go further down the rabbithole by checking to see which sticks train better in which slots. Its part of the reason I run ITX boards, I'm lazy and it means I'm never tempted to deal with 4 sticks, I had my fill of that with X58, x79 and x99... I ran 8 x 8gb on x58 when I only had one pc so had to use my overclocking toy as a workstation too. Nowadays I have an x99 system chugging away at stock and something easier to toy with :)

Running GDM can frequently be beneficial anyway, if it lets you reduce timings (tCL, tRDRD or tRRD especially) or if you can gain more than 66mhz with it enabled you can easily overcome the latency penalty.
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All hail the king \o/

Thanks mate.
 
Nitefly said:
All hail the king \o/

Thanks mate.
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Definitely not the king dude, there's always more to learn :). I have very specific knowledge about B-Die sticks on Ryzen platforms, enough that I can take a moderately educated punt at other sticks on AMD but put me in front of an Intel from the last 5 years and I'm starting from a clean slate. Got to try and beat these shoddy Asus 5000 series Crosshair bioses this weekend and get 2 x 8gb working predictably. I guarantee I will find that as frustrating a time as anyone trying memory tuning for the first time as I know how it should work but its not behaving...
 
OC2000 said:
I have been running the 3800 CL14 8x4 kit for the last couple of weeks, but haven't been tightened any timings or done anything with them other than fun XMP down clocked to 3600 CL14 @ 1.4v as my 3950X won't run stable at 1900 FLK. Waiting for the 5950X to come and then will try.

On the Ryzen Calculator My Ram quality on the second page is 114 or 115%, my previous set TridentZ RGB 4133 CL19 were rated at 90%.

Im also interested to see how the 16gbx2 3800 CL14 compares to these as 2 sticks is meant to run tighter.

I know Colorful are releasing a 4000 CL14 kit which will be interesting too.
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Are you using DRAM calculator for Ryzen 1.7.3 to see the RAM quality? On my memory chip quality it say 'N/A' greyed out
 
Guest2 said:
Are you using DRAM calculator for Ryzen 1.7.3 to see the RAM quality? On my memory chip quality it say 'N/A' greyed out
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yep I’m using the latest,

I used typhoon though to read my memory, converted it to nanoseconds and exported it to a html report which can then be imported to Ryzen calculator to give you customized details about your specific ram
 
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