G-Sync is a con?

[pandem0nium]

Steve Jobs:
Creativity is just connecting things. When you ask creative people how they did something, they feel a little guilty because they didn't really do it, they just saw something. It seemed obvious to them after a while. That's because they were able to connect experiences they've had and synthesize new things.

Nvidea were first to think of and utilise adaptive sync technology and bring it to desktop and I think it's fair enough to charge for it.

Even in laptops, it takes the Nvidea drivers to apply the A-sync technology to gaming applications.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I'm not going to reply to you if you're just going to try and argue with me for the sake of arguing, whilst getting your facts wrong. Last clarification from me

Hawaii's announcement was in September, where as G-Sync was in October.

There is no mention of DP1.2a support at the cards unveiling because the standard did not even exist, so it's both impossible for them to claim compliancy, least of all mention future dynamic refresh rate support. Because both of these things were not in the pipeline, and if they were, you wouldn't be seeing them on the market in the next month or so. More likely whenever they felt like getting around to it.

Displaying EPD to show people that the technology already existed has absolutely nothing to do with AMD having an alternative already on backlog. NVIDIA saw both an opening and an opportunity and brought the technology to market before VESA were able to consider it in DP1.3 spec. Which arguably is what AMD may have been waiting for.

I agree with the first part of your statement, You don't know. What has displaying eDP got to do with advertising dynamic refresh rates on their desktop gpus?

As for this part, if you can't make the connection then I'm not sure what to say to you. That is entirely the point. It has nothing to do with it, it's a ploy to try and take the eye off G-Sync at the time to say look, this technology already exists (but we have nothing to compete with it at the moment, or else we'd show you that too)

 

[melmac]

I'm not going to reply to you if you're just going to try and argue with me for the sake of arguing, whilst getting your facts wrong. Last clarification from me

Hawaii's announcement was in September, where as G-Sync was in October.

There is no mention of DP1.2a support at the cards unveiling because the standard did not even exist, so it's both impossible for them to claim compliancy, least of all mention future dynamic refresh rate support. Because both of these things were not in the pipeline, and if they were, you wouldn't be seeing them on the market in the next month or so. More likely whenever they felt like getting around to it.

Displaying EPD to show people that the technology already existed has absolutely nothing to do with AMD having an alternative already on backlog. NVIDIA saw both an opening and an opportunity and brought the technology to market before VESA were able to consider it in DP1.3 spec. Which arguably is what AMD may have been waiting for.



As for this part, if you can't make the connection then I'm not sure what to say to you. That is entirely the point. It has nothing to do with it, it's a ploy to try and take the eye off G-Sync at the time to say look, this technology already exists (but we have nothing to compete with it at the moment, or else we'd show you that too)

Wow just wow. And You are saying I am the one arguing for arguments sake. What facts have I wrong? Bonaire was launched before the Gysnc demo.

At least there three things that we do know,

1. AMD put the necessary hardware into the 290/260 for connecting to monitor that has a variable refresh rate. Hardware that is useless for anything else.

2. Since they were ones submitting the new specification to be added to display port and since they used it on eDP, they would know exactly what was required to meet the specification.

3. Thracks stated they were working on freesync at the same as developing the updated dispay controller in the 290/260.

Show me one thing that contradicts any of that?

What were they waiting for? I don't know, but more than likely it was for the1.3 display port standard. But, it looks like they were completely blindsided by Nvidia and Gsync, so they had to push forward quicker, hence the 1.2a spec so at least they could get a working demo out for June last year.

 

[bru]

Wow just wow. And You are saying I am the one arguing for arguments sake. What facts have I wrong? Bonaire was launched before the Gysnc demo.

At least there three things that we do know,

1. AMD put the necessary hardware into the 290/260 for connecting to monitor that has a variable refresh rate. Hardware that is useless for anything else
Show me one thing that contradicts any of that?

OK your first point is a pretty big assumption, How do you know that connecting to variable refresh rate was the cards output controllers primary function and useless for anything else.

Can you show us the proof of that please. Remember that this output controller also works with HDMI and DVI so I would love to see proof that it is useless for anything other than connection to a disport variable refresh rate monitor.

 

[andybird123]

yeah, it is a massive assumption that they added hardware to the 290/260 specifically for adaptive sync when the 7*** series also supports it after a fashion

if the 7*** series supports it for movies, but not for gaming, the limitation must be artificial / software based, or in other ways not related to the DP port on the 290/7970, as clearly the DP port itself is capable, but the 7970 (and co.) can't handle variable refresh for gaming for another reason, the basic communications pathway is there

 

[melmac]

OK your first point is a pretty big assumption, How do you know that connecting to variable refresh rate was the cards output controllers primary function and useless for anything else.

Can you show us the proof of that please. Remember that this output controller also works with HDMI and DVI so I would love to see proof that it is useless for anything other than connection to a disport variable refresh rate monitor.

yeah, it is a massive assumption that they added hardware to the 290/260 specifically for adaptive sync when the 7*** series also supports it after a fashion

if the 7*** series supports it for movies, but not for gaming, the limitation must be artificial / software based, or in other ways not related to the DP port on the 290/7970, as clearly the DP port itself is capable, but the 7970 (and co.) can't handle variable refresh for gaming for another reason, the basic communications pathway is there

Sorry Guys. Really busy all day today. But, don't worry, I will have an answer for you both tomorrow.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Oh lord lol, why?

Can you not just accept that NVIDIA's adoption was the driving force for the promise?

It's really not difficult, just look at the timelines from speculation to market. AMD has renewed patents dating long back (probably almost a decade) from ATI regarding these things, not once has it been mentioned till directly after G-Sync.