galactic interplanetary deep space battles

arknor · 16 May 2015 at 12:39

maybe we're miniature scale but our governments aren't telling anyone.
and normal sized life forms can travel easy.

we're like micro-organisms and need to zoom out to see the real picture.

we can't zoom out far enough yet so we're still looking at the universe through a microscopic lens and the scale and distances are far greater than they would be if we were proper man size

The grand canyon

or a vinyl record

A garage door

or a Gillette razor

don't fall into the pool bro but wait it's solid steel....

doofer · 16 May 2015 at 12:43

[FnG]magnolia;28046299 said:
Which species?

What if frogs had guns?

We'd have to build defences against Amphibious Assault.

robgmun · 16 May 2015 at 12:46

Third Opinion said:
Or it could scientifically impossible to traverse the distances of the Universe.

Could it be natures way of ensuring alien species never meet?

Nothing is scientifically impossible. Just scientifically we don't know yet.

PhysicsMan94 · 16 May 2015 at 13:14

arknor said:
resource rich compared to what?
10 years ago there was no water on mars.
earth was almost the only if not the only planet with water.

now we know that's total BS and there's water almost everywhere.

Rich in biomass and organic matter, as well as a large variety of different materials. Sure, you can get much more water out there in space than here on Earth - but water is not the only valuable resource. In-fact, who knows what might be valuable to an alien species? They could require something that we have in abundance here on Earth.

As for the debates over distances and the speed of light, of course it would be a big worry if the speed of light was broken as it would throw a major chunk of our understanding of Physics into question. However it may not be necessary for the speed of light to be broken in order to travel the huge distances required to go between planets and solar systems in a relatively short amount of time. The very topology of the universe could be exploited such that one could travel through a different dimension in order to traverse a smaller distance than the conventional distance we see, in this way the speed of light is never broken rather a smaller distance is travelled.

Of course this is all theoretical and depends upon the number of dimensions that exist, which is still very much an ongoing research topic of the High Energy Physics community; certain versions of String theory suggest that there could be hundreds of dimensions which are only observable at huge energies (not experimentally viable at the LHC, even with the newest upgrade).

Zethor · 16 May 2015 at 14:27

Amp34 said:
People probably said the same 500 years ago about the Atlantic. Why go? It's too expensive.

The logistics change and we now fly to the US in 5 hours for less than a weeks wages. Why will space travel not do that in the future for us?

500 years ago, the idea that the voyage was too costly was based on little understanding of the laws that govern the Universe which makes it an uninformed opinion and thus a highly innacurate estimation. Today, the estimated costs of space travel are much more accurate as they are based on tests, observation and undisputed scientific theories. We've seen massive scientific and technological progress in the past centuries but that doesn't mean the rate of progress will continue in the next centuries. In fact, it's slowing down considerably, particularly in the field of physics ( ie. compare the 1970-2015 period to the 1870-1915 one).

squired · 16 May 2015 at 14:28

I can't remember his name, but an American guy released a book a few months ago suggesting evidence pointing to massive nuclear weapons being used on Mars in the distant past. If there were wars I would see them happening that way - no large space battles (maybe the odd skirmish), just planet killer bombs. Ultimately it would all be about the same thing as much of the battles the United States enter into - access to resources.

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murah · 16 May 2015 at 14:47

squired said:
I can't remember his name, but an American guy released a book a few months ago suggesting evidence pointing to massive nuclear weapons being used on Mars in the distant past. If there were wars I would see them happening that way - no large space battles (maybe the odd skirmish), just planet killer bombs. Ultimately it would all be about the same thing as much of the battles the United States enter into - access to resources.

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Destination · 16 May 2015 at 15:03

squired said:
I can't remember his name, but an American guy released a book a few months ago suggesting evidence pointing to massive nuclear weapons being used on Mars in the distant past. If there were wars I would see them happening that way - no large space battles (maybe the odd skirmish), just planet killer bombs. Ultimately it would all be about the same thing as much of the battles the United States enter into - access to resources.

There are easier ways to conduct interstellar warfare.
Strap a large drive to side of an asteroid in the asteroid belt and play 'extinction event' for one.

Rroff · 16 May 2015 at 15:07

Amp34 said:
Disagree with that. Using an example if life had evolved 1000 years before it did on this planet 3billion years ago, all things being equal, we would be 1000 years more technologically advanced. Just that 1000 years would make a massive difference, look at how far we have come in the last 100 years.

That's just 1000 years, imagine if life had evolved 1% sooner instead, or if evolution had taken a different path and technologically evolved life had evolved much quicker on a planet (due to a lack of major extinction events, as an example)? I agree most life probably would be "less" evolved than us but considering the millions/billions of stars out there that would still mean quite possibly thousands/millions of more advanced civilisations out there.

I personally beileve the idea of us being the only planet with life comes from religion and out need to feel superior only. We are "unique", that's why we "aren't" animals, we are "above" them. It means we can do what the **** we want to the planet and other life forms because we are "superior".once we realise we aren't unique or superior suddenly all that we value becomes worthless. Perhaps then it would make us a better species. If a superior species came along and just watched us, rather than destroy us, then maybe we would realise that we should be helping all the other species on this olanet, not wiping them out.

Change some of those would to could, there is room for civilisations significantly more advanced but most factors weigh towards that being more likely the exception by a long shot than the normal.

Muzza1875 · 16 May 2015 at 15:15

arknor said:
if you think otherwise then you need to go check how big space is and how much effort it takes to cross.
even at the speed of light your not getting across even the observable universe in a single life time

Why kill each other then?

Amp34 · 16 May 2015 at 15:24

Zethor said:
500 years ago, the idea that the voyage was too costly was based on little understanding of the laws that govern the Universe which makes it an uninformed opinion and thus a highly innacurate estimation. Today, the estimated costs of space travel are much more accurate as they are based on tests, observation and undisputed scientific theories. We've seen massive scientific and technological progress in the past centuries but that doesn't mean the rate of progress will continue in the next centuries. In fact, it's slowing down considerably, particularly in the field of physics ( ie. compare the 1970-2015 period to the 1870-1915 one).

I'm guessing people said exactly the same 500 years ago too...

The current estimated costs are very high, however we already have fesable plans to reduce those costs considerably in the next 20 years. I'm not suggesting we will break the speed of light here, rather keep moving, one step at a time, towards travel with greater efficiency and cheaper costs.

Amp34 · 16 May 2015 at 15:26

Rroff said:
Change some of those would to could, there is room for civilisations significantly more advanced but most factors weigh towards that being more likely the exception by a long shot than the normal.

I'd be interested in any links you have on the subject.

I personally don't think that at all and it's akin to people, even ten years ago saying there was nrver water on Mars IMO.

Tefal · 16 May 2015 at 15:41

arknor said:
if you think otherwise then you need to go check how big space is and how much effort it takes to cross.
even at the speed of light your not getting across even the observable universe in a single life time

it would be for the traveller

dacads · 16 May 2015 at 19:55

You never know

Malevolence said:
Given the sheer unimaginable scale of our known universe, it's highly probable that other advanced civilisations have evolved to a point where they're capable of leaving their own star systems and traversing the immense distances to meet each other, be that in order to battle or in the spirit of cooperation and advancement.

Yep and not by spaceships either I would imagine instant transfer to other planets through other means

and I agree it probably isn't for battle either but positive means.

Earth has a long way to go.

Tonester0011 · 16 May 2015 at 20:00

dacads said:
You never know

Yep and not by spaceships either I would imagine instant transfer to other planets through other means and I agree it probably isn't for battle either but positive means.

Earth has a long way to go.

Stargates?

How awesome would it be if Mars actually has a stargate just sitting there waiting, all we have to do is setup camp and boom, SG1/SG:A & SG:U here we come.

I'm looking forward to finally having a chat with Thor, not keen on meeting the Wraith though.

arknor · 16 May 2015 at 20:36

if it did we wouldn't find out.

same as when they get close enough to ceres they wouldn't tell us it's an abandoned alien mine or crashed space ship.

bet you'd see a sudden surge in nasas budget though

[TW]Fox · 16 May 2015 at 21:01

Amp34 said:
The logistics change and we now fly to the US in 5 hours for less than a weeks wages. Why will space travel not do that in the future for us?

I would love to fly to the US in 5 hours. Have you more information on this

OhEsEcks · 16 May 2015 at 21:02

I partake in these battles every couple of days playing Eve.

Malevolence · 16 May 2015 at 21:21

Two species which existed in the distant past, a very great distance from the Milky Way galaxy. The G'Gugvuntt were enemies of the Vl'hurgs, and these strange and warlike beings are on the brink of an interstellar war, because of an insult uttered by the G'Gugvuntt leader to the mother of the Vl'hurg leader. Resplendent in their black-jeweled battle shorts, they were meeting for the last time, and a dreadful silence filled the air as the Vl'hurg leader was challenging the G'Gugvuntt leader to retract the insult. At the precise moment, the phrase "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle" (muttered by Arthur Dent to himself, which for some strange reason was carried by a freak wormhole in space back in time to the farthest regions of the universe where the G'Gugvuntts and the Vl'hurgs lived) filled the air over the conference table, which in the Vl'hurg tongue was the most dreadful insult imaginable. It left them no choice but to declare war on the G'Gugvuntts, which went on for a few thousand years and decimated their entire galaxy.

After millennia of battle the surviving G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg realised what had actually happened, and joined forces to attack the Milky Way in retaliation. They crossed vast reaches of space in a journey lasting thousands of years before reaching their target where they attacked the first planet they encountered, Earth.

Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.

This sort of thing happens all the time.

robgmun · 16 May 2015 at 21:29

Malevolence said:
Two species which existed in the distant past, a very great distance from the Milky Way galaxy. The G'Gugvuntt were enemies of the Vl'hurgs, and these strange and warlike beings are on the brink of an interstellar war, because of an insult uttered by the G'Gugvuntt leader to the mother of the Vl'hurg leader. Resplendent in their black-jeweled battle shorts, they were meeting for the last time, and a dreadful silence filled the air as the Vl'hurg leader was challenging the G'Gugvuntt leader to retract the insult. At the precise moment, the phrase "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle" (muttered by Arthur Dent to himself, which for some strange reason was carried by a freak wormhole in space back in time to the farthest regions of the universe where the G'Gugvuntts and the Vl'hurgs lived) filled the air over the conference table, which in the Vl'hurg tongue was the most dreadful insult imaginable. It left them no choice but to declare war on the G'Gugvuntts, which went on for a few thousand years and decimated their entire galaxy.

After millennia of battle the surviving G'Gugvuntt and Vl'hurg realised what had actually happened, and joined forces to attack the Milky Way in retaliation. They crossed vast reaches of space in a journey lasting thousands of years before reaching their target where they attacked the first planet they encountered, Earth.

Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.

This sort of thing happens all the time.