Galaxy Alpha

Caged said:
If you can look at it and conclude that it would have happened without the iPhone 5 doing it first then you are deluded.
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What does this even mean? You're saying Samsung copied the iPhone... Great. The fact is they didn't copy anyone, they made a rectangular smartphone, just like all the other makers out there.

Stinks of iPhone fanboyism that does.
 
Caged said:
If you can look at it and conclude that it would have happened without the iPhone 5 doing it first then you are deluded.
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Whenever someone talks in absolutes you know its just BS. It seems like a very logically progression, they literally supposed out the faux metal band for a real metal band. Pretty much everyone is doing this, no one will say the Moto X (2014) copied apple.
 
samsung LITERALLY had to improve their build/use metal.. look at the bashing it got with s3/s4/s5 - plastic fantastic etc.. that is WHY they're moving to metal now not because apple used metal on an iphone first, there were other phones made out of metal before iphones, did apple copy them? and when it comes to shape there's only so much you can do with a phone!

you're not going to have a star or a butterfly in your pocket eh?
 
It's possible to move to a more metal construction without borrowing the edge detailing straight out of the Apple book though. People don't levy the copying criticism at HTC or Motorola, because they don't do it. Samsung had pages of documents revealed in their court battles which pretty much amounted to "Apple have done this, we need to copy it". They did the same thing with one of their vacuum cleaners which landed them in trouble with Dyson.

By all means keep buying Samsung phones because you like the price to performance ratio or whatever, just don't pretend they can come up with an original idea that isn't completely awful.
 
Caged said:
It's possible to move to a more metal construction without borrowing the edge detailing straight out of the Apple book though. People don't levy the copying criticism at HTC or Motorola, because they don't do it. Samsung had pages of documents revealed in their court battles which pretty much amounted to "Apple have done this, we need to copy it". They did the same thing with one of their vacuum cleaners which landed them in trouble with Dyson.

By all means keep buying Samsung phones because you like the price to performance ratio or whatever, just don't pretend they can come up with an original idea that isn't completely awful.
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so to simplify your post.. "apple invented bevelled edge" ??? youmadbro?
 
That edge detailing (bevelled) has existed forever in jewellery and metal work, how is it Apple suddenly own every generic design choice they ever make?
 
By that logic stuff has been made out of metal for ages, so anything made out of metal can't be a copy of anything else.

I'm not saying Apple invented the polished chamfer, I'm saying that the Galaxy Alpha wouldn't have one if the iPhone 5 hadn't.
 
Caged said:
It's possible to move to a more metal construction without borrowing the edge detailing straight out of the Apple book though. People don't levy the copying criticism at HTC or Motorola, because they don't do it. Samsung had pages of documents revealed in their court battles which pretty much amounted to "Apple have done this, we need to copy it". They did the same thing with one of their vacuum cleaners which landed them in trouble with Dyson.

By all means keep buying Samsung phones because you like the price to performance ratio or whatever, just don't pretend they can come up with an original idea that isn't completely awful.
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I don't buy Samsung phones for a number of reasons not least their bad design. HTC also have the same edges.

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It is also much more sensitive when Samsung does it which is why everyone jumps on it. And I'm not defending Samsung at all they have copied a number of things, from blackberry to apple to HTC, they rip off everyone and everything. LG gets mode where it uses both cameras, Samsung gets it.

But in this case I don't think its fair.
 
Caged said:
By that logic stuff has been made out of metal for ages, so anything made out of metal can't be a copy of anything else.

I'm not saying Apple invented the polished chamfer, I'm saying that the Galaxy Alpha wouldn't have one if the iPhone 5 hadn't.
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you're just talking gibberish now :) iPhone wouldn't exist if Martin Cooper didn't invent the first mobile phone :rolleyes:;)
 
That's obviously not what I said. Whatever, you obviously don't see a problem, I hope you enjoy your Samsung products.
 
I must be one of the few people who doesn't really care what their phone is made of :P

I have a HTC one but its always in a phone case so for me it doesn't matter what the phone is constructed of because it will be in a phone case.

Obviously being able to state "constructed from metal" sounds better from a marketing pov but in reality it doesn't make much difference for most users i'd have thought.
 
People care what the phone is made of because quality of materials (or lack of) is one of the quickest ways to make a phone appear overpriced. Samsung have been criticized pretty much forever for building their phones out of flimsy glossy plastic. OTOH Nokia use plastic but get praised for the quality.

Building it out of metal is just an easy way to get people to assume it's well made without having to wait for them to catch on.
 
Nokia use plastic only on certain parts of the phone. Take the Lumia 520, the entire phone is dominated by the glass front. the only plastic bit you hold is the back cover which wraps around the phone like a snap on case. Bit different to a phone made out of plastic and then has a plastic trim and battery cover.

All the other Nokia phones are glass/metal in build.

I like Samsung's method, keep the phone light yet still employ metal.

Sony are on the right tracks too with the material to weight ratio.
 
I was looking at exynos Note 4 pages yesterday and in many of the the benchmarks where the exynos does brilliantly the galaxy Alpha was also right up there at the top with some stellar scores, so presumably there's more to this phone than some chamfering at the polishing stage.
 
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There was no doubt about that, new fabrication process etc.

I don't know why Samsung didn't make a big song and dance about it though. Maybe to keep Apple away with their lawsuit wagon :p
 
I have one, bought for £460 via three. I also bought the wireless charging backing plate. I love it - It is a beautiful, solid, reasonably sized phone.

My main concern is the release has been so quiet, I would expect them to depreciate in value extremely quickly. With such little enthusiast talk, and many enthusiasts put off by the draw backs, build quality may not be enough to appease the low demand.
 
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Caged said:
People care what the phone is made of because quality of materials (or lack of) is one of the quickest ways to make a phone appear overpriced. Samsung have been criticized pretty much forever for building their phones out of flimsy glossy plastic. OTOH Nokia use plastic but get praised for the quality.

Building it out of metal is just an easy way to get people to assume it's well made without having to wait for them to catch on.
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Typically ends up in the same £1 plastic case off ebay, outside of tech nerds no one cares. I've never heard a single friend of mine say oh the iPhone is great cause its made of metal, or that Galaxy sucks for using plastic. If it really matters then Samsung wouldn't sell the most phones worldwide.
 
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