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Gaming Cost and Electricity prices going up in the UK
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No point switching, they are all charging the new cap.
We've spent 75p by the time I wake up at 6am.
The only things on overnight are a fan, a downstairs LED light, a plugged in laptop, and the fridge freezer.
Upgrade to a 12900k, enjoy the electricity bill savings! 12900k is really efficient in games, as below:
Source: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-c...-wifi-g-skill-trident-z5-ddr5-6000-memory/15/
Caporegime
I guess you forgot the conversation we had, along with @Armageus in the Alder lake thread, Dave?Upgrade to a 12900k, enjoy the electricity bill savings! 12900k is really efficient in games, as below:
Source: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-c...-wifi-g-skill-trident-z5-ddr5-6000-memory/15/
Only 14 watts difference under a lightly threaded workload.
I wonder what the comparison would be like under an app that puts each core under 100% load like a stress test, like my most frequently played game, Football Manager 2022. A game that I have spent over 700 hours playing since December.
Not forgetting Football Manager 2021, almost 1700 hours spent.
Oh that's right, 31 watts more power drawn on the 12900K vs the 5950X under 100% load for each core.
Hold on a minute, it's also slower than the 5950X in Football Manager too? Daaaamn.
I'll pass thanks Dave. Can't see any reason in this energy expensive climate to move to a less energy efficient and slower processor, unless it's a freebie of course.
Soldato
sounds about right, I watched the HUB coverage on it earlier (albeit the S variant) and not something I can get excited about at all. intel really do need to recoup some of that power draw over their gens going forward. It seems both intel and nvidia are pushing the hardware to compete yet folk have goldfish memories or something as when AMD were trying to play back then they were ridiculed for it...
Upgrade to a 12900k, enjoy the electricity bill savings! 12900k is really efficient in games, as below:
Source: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-c...-wifi-g-skill-trident-z5-ddr5-6000-memory/15/
I'm seeing upto 80W for the 12900k while gaming with a few browsers / visual studio open in the background. I have mine capped at 125W PL2, just incase anything bad sneaks in, and a nice undervolt.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-tested-at-various-power-limits/
Soldato
I'm lucky in as much we have solar panels on the roof so I try to schedule my 'heavy power use' to during the day.
Have I reduced gaming, yes and no, I am still playing the games I play but not as much (bit bored of them in all honesty) and all I've really done is shift around my routine so my lighter use is done when there's no sun etc. Essentially I'm just playing a bit earlier in the day, partly helped by the clocks changing by an hour.
Can't be doing too bad, only using about 3-4 units a day at the mo lol
Have I reduced gaming, yes and no, I am still playing the games I play but not as much (bit bored of them in all honesty) and all I've really done is shift around my routine so my lighter use is done when there's no sun etc. Essentially I'm just playing a bit earlier in the day, partly helped by the clocks changing by an hour.
Can't be doing too bad, only using about 3-4 units a day at the mo lol
I guess you forgot the conversation we had, along with @Armageus in the Alder lake thread, Dave?
Only 14 watts difference under a lightly threaded workload.
I wonder what the comparison would be like under an app that puts each core under 100% load like a stress test, like my most frequently played game, Football Manager 2022. A game that I have spent over 700 hours playing since December.
Not forgetting Football Manager 2021, almost 1700 hours spent.
Oh that's right, 31 watts more power drawn on the 12900K vs the 5950X under 100% load for each core.
Hold on a minute, it's also slower than the 5950X in Football Manager too? Daaaamn.
I'll pass thanks Dave. Can't see any reason in this energy expensive climate to move to a less energy efficient and slower processor, unless it's a freebie of course.
12900K would use less power and give you more performance in almost every game out there.
For this specific football manger game, can you link to your sources? It doens't seem a very large sample size, 1 12900k, with slow 5400Mhz RAM, vs many 5950X's with higher tuned DDR4. Again, sources would be good. I'd like to see the same test, with a 12900k with 6400Mhz+ XMP RAM.
There are countless other reviews out there that show the 12900k to be a more power efficient gaming CPU, I think you know this to be true.
Another example for Igor's Lab:
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Caporegime
Yup, no. That kind of time difference is not being made up with a memory kit. What about the extra 31 watts of power draw too? You talked about efficiency in your last post, guess that’s out of the window now too.
As a reminder, FM is not a lightly threaded workload, it’s like running CinebenchR23 with a lot of leagues running. A slower, processor drawing more power makes no sense.
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Where are you getting your numbers from? From the two official sources I quoted (Igor's Lab, Wccftech review) both show the 12900k being more power efficient in games. Link to your sources
Are you aware at how certain workloads greatly benefit from memory bandwidth? Go test your football manager game with 3000Mhz RAM vs 3600Mhz, there will be a difference
Also, do you really think one random user with as 12900k is a good sample size for this CPU? This is an obscure benchmark, as it's the only hope you have in making the 5950X look anywhere near as power efficient as a 12900k in games.
Caporegime
Read my posts again, slowly and hopefully this time it’ll sink in. FM is like running Cinebench in terms of power draw, it’ll use every core to 100% capacity depending on how you have the game setup. More cores more speed. The 12900K is more efficient in lightly threaded scenarios.Where are you getting your numbers from? From the two official sources I quoted (Igor's Lab, Wccftech review) both show the 12900k being more power efficient in games. Link to your sources
Are you aware at how certain workloads greatly benefit from memory bandwidth? Go test your football manager game with 3000Mhz RAM vs 3600Mhz, there will be a difference
Also, do you really think one random user with as 12900k is a good sample size for this CPU? This is an obscure benchmark, as it's the only hope you have in making the 5950X look anywhere near as power efficient as a 12900k in games.
I should add, I have beaten all those scores with my 5950X. The saved game I have running is most similar to benchmark test D, which is the most complex with the most leagues running concurrently for the longest time.
Source.
It might be an obscure benchmark to you, but it’s where I spend most of my time. Performance and power efficiency are most important to me in this application.
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Not sure why you're trying to patronise me, when you also refuse to acknowledge the following
1. There' only one 12900k in your sample size
2. It's running very slow 5200Mhz RAM, not much better than JEDEC speeds
It would be very interesting to see a tuned 12900k with 6400Mhz+ RAM in this game, if it ever goes on sale I'll pick it up and give this Benchmark D you crave a go.
Do you admit that the vast majority of games do run faster on a 12900k, while consuming less power? I know you used to work for AMD (unsure if you still do) but would be humble of you to admit this
Caporegime
We had this same conversation before, in another thread, so I’m surprised we have to do it all over again only to come to the same outcome.Not sure why you're trying to patronise me, when you also refuse to acknowledge the following
1. There' only one 12900k in your sample size
2. It's running very slow 5200Mhz RAM, not much better than JEDEC speeds
It would be very interesting to see a tuned 12900k with 6400Mhz+ RAM in this game, if it ever goes on sale I'll pick it up and give this Benchmark D you crave a go.
Do you admit that the vast majority of games do run faster on a 12900k, while consuming less power? I know you used to work for AMD (unsure if you still do) but would be humble of you to admit this
If you look back and read my posts, I already acknowledged that it was more efficient in lightly threaded workloads. It’s less efficient in all core work loads though, agreed?
Whilst I play other games, there’s only one game which I dedicate any serious time to and this game benefits most overall from a 5950X.
I’ll play devil’s advocate for you and pretend it’s slightly faster in a heavy all core workload like FM, but it’s still going to draw more power, most likely quite a bit more power with each core pegged at 100% utilisation. Which comes back to you advising me to get it for power efficiency reasons. It’s not going to be more power efficient in this workload. Hopefully that’s sunk in now.
Just to add, I don’t crave the benchmark that’s just a similar workload to how I have my game setup. That’s my use case like it or not.
Tried undervolting got a lot of freeze/crashes so stuck with reducing the GPU clocks, no crashes so far.
What I mean is the body forces people to become aggressive if they are underfed sort of like a zombie, sri lanka last week and peru today, food and fuel shortages, will it happen here in the UK?
Yes I'm with those that forecast increasing food prices, my prediction was on 14 feb so before any clue of a war, but wheat shortage will certainly increase meat prices.
RT improvements will require more rays per pixel. If RT performance increases significantly on 4000/7000 cards then expect more power draw. RT maths/calculations cost in terms of watts. We're going to see some power hungry GPUs in the next few years with the industry trying to shift more to RT from raster.
I don't think anyone wants to see a red alert situation, it won't be full on mad max like in the movies but you wouldn't want to go outside with the protests and such.
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Russia were amassing troops by Ukraine around.. November? December? Warnings were coming out of intelligence agencies before Feb that a war was coming, so I'm afraid the claim that the prediction was before any sniff of war doesn't stack up...
Also, food prices have been increasing for a while, with the economic impact of Covid playing a large role.
With undervolting, I found a video online, used similar settings at it just worked, maybe I got lucky. Would you like a link, or are you happy with reduced clocks?
Soldato
Indeed food prices were increasing ages before. If you were into crypto you would have been constantly drip fed this for at least a year particularly in layman channels using the likes of Cathy Wood, Raul Pal or Michael Saylor to name but a few - where economic crash 'worse than 2008' was always rumbling on.
Also energy prices were shifting up for the past year too, I know mainland has different arrangement of suppliers but over here with a tiny amount to choose from, my costs have stair cased up for a while which has I guess only been noticed by the vigilant folk but now the mainstream are waking up that its at least doubled within a year - so predictions are rather thin in the ground from anyone IMO.
Also energy prices were shifting up for the past year too, I know mainland has different arrangement of suppliers but over here with a tiny amount to choose from, my costs have stair cased up for a while which has I guess only been noticed by the vigilant folk but now the mainstream are waking up that its at least doubled within a year - so predictions are rather thin in the ground from anyone IMO.
Yes its working well with the Gigabyte aorus software, I only adjust the GPU clocks though, most games running about 50+ fps at 4k with clocks at 75% or less and not a single crash so I'll stick with this thanks.
I didn't really notice the electricity prices until I got a letter just before april, but its quite a jump.
I have not used the effects of the war at all in my calculations but obviously its going to affect commodity prices now. Even without that happening I agree food prices have been increasing some due to covid supply chain disruptions, but economies have opened up from lockdown for some time so most of the disruptions should have sorted themselves out.
I think there could be quite a big jump in food prices this year just like electricity prices. Basically in just 1 year fertiliser prices doubled and I heard farmers in the USA were buying much less because of the cost so less food in the shops, and this year I expect the fertiliser problem to get worse.
This commodity cycle will be one for the record books, in fact I would go as far to say we may not see anything like this again in our lifetimes. I expect the British pound £ will be well trashed by 2030.
50 years of fairly stable pound and now new normals are being set.
People are talking a lot about the kWh increase but the standing charge has rocketed up. That's the real con here