Gas vs induction

jpaul · 7 Jun 2017 at 13:15

maybe these are game changing innovations for induction ?
ability to simmer automatically via precise temperature control and even stop boiling over, both Gorenje and Panasonic seem to have some kind of Smart systems
Gorenje has an additional lid sensor and Pan is measuring temp off of pan base
... are they lying ? anyone have one.

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SPG · 7 Jun 2017 at 15:45

No idea but I have a AEG induction and will never go back to gas.

Tend to use my steakstones now for steak anyway.

insane200 · 7 Jun 2017 at 16:27

jpaul said:
maybe these are game changing innovations for induction ?
ability to simmer automatically via precise temperature control and even stop boiling over, both Gorenje and Panasonic seem to have some kind of Smart systems
Gorenje has an additional lid sensor and Pan is measuring temp off of pan base
... are they lying ? anyone have one.

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Panasonic Induction Hob with Genius Sensor +

Panasonic no longer sell hobs in the UK, not sure if they do in Europe either now, They worked pretty well, but Panasonic are not the best at getting the products advertised so they didn't sell to well.

eviled · 9 Jun 2017 at 17:15

Went from gas to rangemaster induction range (Nexus 110i) and it's amazing.
Boil a whole pan of water in no time, breeze to control and easy to clean.
80% efficient compared to gas's 40% so while not cost saving, greener if using green leccy.

jpaul · 11 Jun 2017 at 21:01

eviled said:
rangemaster induction range (Nexus 110i) and it's amazing

so noticed manual says

•
Allow time to get used to induction cooking; it is fast
and powerful as well as being gentle. When simmering,
you may notice that liquids appear to stop bubbling and
then start again almost immediately. This is perfectly
normal.
•
You may notice a faint vibrating sound coming from
the pans when using the induction hob. Again, this is
perfectly normal and will depend upon the type and
style of pans you are using.
•
The induction heating elements will phase on and off
when cooking. Although an active cooking zone may
appear to switch on and off, a constant heat is still being
supplied to the base of the pan – this is completely
normal

would not mind about second issue, but first bears out control issues already raised. ('appear to stop bubbling' ???) ...
do not know what they are really trying to say with third - either is switches on and off, or it doesn't

ZG002 · 12 Jun 2017 at 00:20

They pulse, the on phase of that pulse lasts longer when temp is turned up.

Tbh, unless you are really really into your cooking and knock out French style dishes which require perfect control you will be fine with induction.

It takes a few goes to get used to it and what it's doing, but once you know it's fine.

Steampunk · 12 Jun 2017 at 14:58

jpaul said:
so noticed manual says
would not mind about second issue, but first bears out control issues already raised. ('appear to stop bubbling' ???) ...
do not know what they are really trying to say with third - either is switches on and off, or it doesn't

I don't see any of that on my Neff induction hob, with the exception of a slight buzz from some pans when the power is turned up high when they are empty.

eviled · 14 Jun 2017 at 22:58

Can't say I've ever noticed it start and stop bubbling, must have to be a specific temp on a specific power I guess

It does pulse and hum though, but no noisier than a gas hob

jpaul · 15 Jun 2017 at 08:02

eviled said:
must have to be a specific temp on a specific power I guess

issue is potentially when you are trying to simmer stuff (porridge/bechemelle/stew) at low temp where some (?) inductions cannot change output
power level, rather they just turn on an off periodically. (electronics for the former much more expesnive)
so it is difficult to establish a simmer point, and can have food sticking/over-cooking, one instant, when element is on.

eviled · 17 Jun 2017 at 09:40

I disagree, I find it very easy to turn the heat down very quickly and controllably to achieve a simmer

*I'm no chef but I do cook

Glaucus · 17 Jun 2017 at 09:54

eviled said:
I disagree, I find it very easy to turn the heat down very quickly and controllably to achieve a simmer

*I'm no chef but I do cook

this will depend on your system, and why more expensive ones are great and cheap ones are just poor. The pulsing and water not boiling will be due to pulsing the current through the coil to actually change heat level, unlike gas where you can just turn the supply down. Some of the cheap ones despite having what appears to be infinite variability on the knob, if you look in the manual can have next to none.

Holst1981 · 17 Jun 2017 at 09:54

eviled said:
I disagree, I find it very easy to turn the heat down very quickly and controllably to achieve a simmer

*I'm no chef but I do cook

I think it depends on what type and age of induction hob you have.

We had a older cheap one (rental property) and it was woeful.
Response time was very slow and it had very little power. Much preferred gas.

I'm sure if you buy a good one they work well.

eviled · 18 Jun 2017 at 09:34

I've used several brands (falcon, neff, rangemaster) the rangemaster is definitely the best of the ones I've tried in terms of speed and controllability

It did require electrics upgrading to 65amp supply however!

PFarrey · 18 Jun 2017 at 13:48

I don't think you can beat the Neff flexi zone induction hobs, if you invest in the griddle it gives you a huge area to cook steaks and various things on. They control system is very easy with Neff, it comes with a magnetic circular knob which is used to control heat. I would never have gas again!

Holst1981 said:
I think it depends on what type and age of induction hob you have.

We had a older cheap one (rental property) and it was woeful.
Response time was very slow and it had very little power. Much preferred gas.

I'm sure if you buy a good one they work well.

It was probably 'ceramic' rather than induction. They look the same but work very differently.

jpaul · 18 Jun 2017 at 16:38

Funny you should mention neff, following earlier comments that more expensive ones were more controllable,
took an example from Neff T41D82X2 supposedly ~£900 , which I would hope would be enough money.

but they hide under additional product infromation that there are 17 power levels 1-9,+intermediate.
so not infinitely variable - not as much variability as the average digital volume on a hi-fi.
I would be sceptical about ability to simmer and that would put me off

PFarrey said:
It was probably 'ceramic' rather than induction. They look the same but work very differently.

they do both have ceramic tops !
I don't know what kind of impact they would actually take fom a 3kg LeCreuset frying pan say, the ceramic I did have before gas always felt a bit fragile ... a moments inattention.

But maybe many people have them (LeCreuset too) for show
[ LOL

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ok you can probably always find an internet article supporting your point of view ]

PFarrey · 18 Jun 2017 at 18:22

jpaul said:
Funny you should mention neff, following earlier comments that more expensive ones were more controllable,
took an example from Neff T41D82X2 supposedly ~£900 , which I would hope would be enough money.

but they hide under additional product infromation that there are 17 power levels 1-9,+intermediate.
so not infinitely variable - not as much variability as the average digital volume on a hi-fi.
I would be sceptical about ability to simmer and that would put me off

I own a Neff T59FT50X0 and can swear by its ability to simmer. The ability to control the heat via the circular knob is extremely efficient and natural to use. I agree that touch control systems are far less easy to use, such as the one you sent a link for. I am being quite specific about the make and model of the hob I have. Most of my other appliances are Siemens but I would not have gone for a Siemens flex hob due to the controls.

jpaul said:
they do both have ceramic tops !
I don't know what kind of impact they would actually take fom a 3kg LeCreuset frying pan say, the ceramic I did have before gas always felt a bit fragile ... a moments inattention.

Sorry unless I have misunderstood this I am referring to how the hob is powered. Ceramic hobs have heat lamps underneath them. They are slow and unresponsive. I would always recommend gas over ceramic. Induction works via magnectic induction and is extremely responsive and powerful.

jpaul · 18 Jun 2017 at 21:05

jpaul said:
they do both have ceramic tops !
I don't know what kind of impact they would actually take fom a 3kg LeCreuset frying pan say, the ceramic I did have before gas always felt a bit fragile ... a moments inattention.

PFarrey said:
Sorry unless I have misunderstood this I am referring to how the hob is powered. Ceramic hobs have heat lamps underneath them. They are slow and unresponsive. I would always recommend gas over ceramic. Induction works via magnectic induction and is extremely responsive and powerful.

I did not think Holst1981 was confusing the heating mechanisms - I was beeing facetious , that electric/induction/gas(!)
are strictly all part of the ceramic genus, and wondering what folks thought about the fragility of the ceramic surface

Frankie_Not_Benny · 26 Jun 2017 at 15:03

eviled said:
Can't say I've ever noticed it start and stop bubbling, must have to be a specific temp on a specific power I guess

It does pulse and hum though, but no noisier than a gas hob

I've noticed my Induction cooker does this, but it's brand new so that might be why?

I got mine installed last week (This is the one) and other than the little bubble thing, I've had no issue. I've had electric ones most of my life, and I seriously wouldn't go back!