Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[ubersonic]

But I actually like Farage, maybe not his politics, but I like the man.

Quite disappointing considering the man is more pathetic/nasty than his politics lol.

And least he has the courage of his convictions.

He's a fraud, he failed as a tory and now he has his own party so he can be the center of attention. He cares about himself and his image, not his policies/politics.

 

[v0n]

This is all very simple at this stage - vote Nigel and get Ed.

Any gain for UKIP is marginal and irrelevant as they will never have enough votes to matter at all in parliament, but in majority of cases UKIP vote would otherwise be a centre-to-right vote, thus take away that >.< tiny, skinny fringe margin from Cons. So every vote spent on UKIP is a step closer to power for Labour.

 

[Freakbro]

This is all very simple at this stage - vote Nigel and get Ed.

Any gain for UKIP is marginal and irrelevant as they will never have enough votes to matter at all in parliament, but in majority of cases UKIP vote would otherwise be a centre-to-right vote, thus take away that >.< tiny, skinny fringe margin from Cons. So every vote spent on UKIP is a step closer to power for Labour.

The irony in that is delicious

 

[Mr Jack]

You arguement remains invalid, those earning nothing for themselves will remain the poorest in society.
This cannot change.
They will always be the lowest percentile.
How else can it be?
We can't keep throwing money at those who choose to do nothing. Thus benefit caps were introduced. You seem to reiterate statements without actually having a point.
I am all for education, training and employment, I am very much for iver time removing a tax burden from those on low incomes, who actually earn an income. I remain against funding those who can't be bothered to do so.

What would you suggest we do?

Way to shift the goalposts, there, Hikari! The question of what should be done is different to the question of what policies actually do: xs2man made the false claim that the personal allowance was a policy that benefits the poor; it isn't it's a policy that benefits middle-to-upper income households the most and poor households the least.

Concede this simple fact, and I'll move on to discussing the rest of your questions.

 

[Mr Jack]

You are suggesting there that there are more people on middle to upper incomes then? I don't see how that can possibly be if the average wage in the UK is around £25k. Surely that means that because there are many millionaires in this country, that many more people are on lower wages?

What on earth are you gibbering about? Upper-to-middle as defined by income decile; these are clearly shown on the graphs I posted.

For example, these increased personal allowance rates have apparently taken 23 million people out of paying taxes.

No, you've got your numbers confused. Osborne claims three and a half million, whilst the Lib Dems give a figure of 3.2 million. The 23 million figure is the number of people who've had their income tax bill cut as a result of the change - although as you can see from the second graph I posted, not many people are actually better off given the whole package of changes.

So any way you decide to cut it, it is helping out the people on lower incomes more surely?

A little bit; but very little goes to the poorest. As you can clearly see from the graph. It's not a policy that helps low income groups; it's a policy that primarily helps middle-to-upper income groups.

But you are lumping this all into groups of people based on income clearly. Where I am not. I am looking at it from the individual perspective.

I'm not doing anything; I'm giving you the figures from a respected third party organisation - the IFS. The individual perspective is not a useful measure because it ignores the income structure of the UK and the fact that most people budget as households not individuals.

I really do fail to see how you can see this as benefiting middle to upper income persons more than lower income persons.

Because that's what the facts actually show.

Sure, you can twist statistics and analysis to show what you want. But for the average guy on the street, he doesn't care about income brackets, and groups of people based on their pay packets. He cares that he no longer pays income tax, so he can afford to feed his kids.

I expect he cares more that the overall changes have reduced his real income by several percentage points. And it's worth noting that people who do have kids have done worst of all under this government.

 

[eatcustard]

Vote Labour get SNP running the show
Vote Ukip get a say in europe

 

[phil675]

This is all very simple at this stage - vote Nigel and get Ed.

Any gain for UKIP is marginal and irrelevant as they will never have enough votes to matter at all in parliament, but in majority of cases UKIP vote would otherwise be a centre-to-right vote, thus take away that >.< tiny, skinny fringe margin from Cons. So every vote spent on UKIP is a step closer to power for Labour.

 

[Mr Jack]

Nice

 

[platypus]

Vote Ukip get a say in europe

Er, what?

Are you trying to say vote UKIP to have a say on whether or not we leave Europe? Or are you saying we can trust the party with the lowest attendance record to the European parliament?

To the first point - Labour are not going to offer a referendum, so if the vote for UKIP splits the Tory vote and allows Labour in, how exactly do you propose that gives anyone a "say in Europe"? If the second, well the UKIP record in the EU parliament speaks for itself, as does their voting policy which is often to the detriment of the UK.

 

[Destination]

He won an award!

 

[Rroff]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32198938

Tony Blair intervenes - though hopefully not like he intervened in Iraq. Will this help or hinder Milliband? I say it'll hinder. I was toying with the idea of switching my support from UKIP to Labour after Ed's Happy Warrior leaders' debate performance, but then up pops Blair to remind me why I despise certain sections of the Labour party.

Its cringe worthy, like the "ringing endorsements" from business "leaders" to the conservatives... does this rubbish really swing people's opinion?

 

[robgmun]

The lib-dems prove they are utterly out of touch and irrelevant.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/05/lib-dems-block-tough-strategy-extremism

 

[robgmun]

Another own goal for Labour. Even their most faithful supporters hate Phoney Tony and it makes Milliband look like he can't fight his own battles.

He's poison now, also to add going for the Tories over the EU was stupid as most people now want out.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

He won an award!

Of course Ed won a "Low Carbon" award, he's a silicon based lifeform from the Crab Nebula.

 

[Mr Jack]

The lib-dems prove they are utterly out of touch and irrelevant.

Nice closing coup from the Lib Dems; it'll help their "we stopped the Tories from being dangerously extreme" line.

In other news: the latest polling from ComRes puts Farage a point behind in a very closely run Thanet race but with it being so close between Labour and the Tories there's no clear candidate for the "anyone but Nigel" voters to rally behind which may help him. It doesn't look like we're going to get a clear answer before polling day but my hunch is that he'll lose by a whisker.

 

[Destination]

Good.

 

[Mr Jack]

He's poison now, also to add going for the Tories over the EU was stupid as most people now want out.

No, they don't. Have a look at YouGov polling, or a broader look from UK Polling Report. At most, opinions on whether to stay in or leave the EU are fairly evenly split. What's more anti-EU sentiment is stronger on the right than the middle ground that Labour need to take.

 

[platypus]

as most people now want out.

Current polls would seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[robgmun]

Vote UKIP and get a lower chance of a referendum happening.

If the Tories get into power without UKIP then there's no hope of a referendum, funny you take David Cameron on his word when he already lied once about it.

 

[robgmun]

Nice closing coup from the Lib Dems; it'll help their "we stopped the Tories from being dangerously extreme" line.
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Extremists should be kept in check, Otherwise more young people will be radicalized and then go to the middle-east to die