General point/question/issue with sigs...

[NeilF]

I get the horrible felling Neil will be going on forced retirement soon

I do hope not...

I'm obviously frustrated/confused at having a sig (aimed at helping others) which took me a long time to enter & format removed, which is smalled than other peoples sigs...

It seems other people are confused/baffled as well hence me suggesting trying to simply clarify/simplify the definition of a sig size.

eg: The three rules above, or just a simple 400x100 pixel rule.

 

[Kreeeee]

I get the horrible felling Neil will be going on forced retirement soon

There's no reason for him to be so he won't be.

As long as he doesn't knowingly break the sig rules again.

 

[Sic]

what about if you have diagonal lines of text - what's the restriction then? is it an extra line with every counter-clockwise rotation of the text by 10 degrees?

 

[NeilF]

And then someone down the line says "I dont see why it should be limited to 500x100..."

There's nothing wrong with the limit, 99% of the users get by happily with it... if you want one, you obey the rules the provider put in place for them, or go with out.

Why is this complicated?

Not at all... I'm absolutely 100% up for rules... But did you know that if you had a perfectly valid 400x100 image in your sig, and it happened to have 5 lines of text in it, it was then invalid? Bet most people don't? And why is that invalid... Very odd!


Anyway, this risk becoming a 'messy thread' when infact I was hoping to get something productive out of it...

Let's just simplify/clarify the sig rules... And an image with five lines of text in it being invalid is very odd!

 

[Gerard]

Not at all... I'm absolutely 100% up for rules... But did you know that if you had a perfectly valid 400x100 image in your sig, and it happened to have 5 lines of text in it, it was then invalid? Bet most people don't? And why is that invalid... Very odd!

Why is that invalid indeed, doesn't make musch sense if its taking up the same\less space as 4 lines of text.

 

[nikebee]

but then people will be saying 500kb is stupid and they will want 600....

Indeed, I have no issues with the actual size limitations of graphical sigs... or really the textual sigs either.

I do find it strange that you can't have more than 4 lines of text in an image? Whats more strange is there is no mention of it in the FAQ itself

An image is going to take longer to load than text no matter how many lines its got in it?

Whats so wrong with the second one? Same size (HxW) as the first... and it infact has a smaller file size than the first one - so should load slightly quicker... (not that you'd notice on broadband)


As I said, I've never noticed or been aware of this lines of text in a sig rule... since there is no real rule in the FAQ

 

[NeilF]

Why is that invalid indeed, doesn't make musch sense if its taking up the same\less space as 4 lines of text.

The sig of mine that was removed was smaller than an image + 1 line of text...

If I had instead created an image 400x75 and that had my sig information in (over more than four lines in the image) that would seemingly have been removed as well?

Let's just make the rules simple:-
As per now, one image 400x75 pixels + one line of text (but doesn't matter what text is in the image)
As per now, four lines of normal sized text
SIX LINES of SIZE ONE text

 

[NeilF]

Indeed, I have no issues with the actual size limitations of graphical sigs... or really the textual sigs either.

I do find it strange that you can't have more than 4 lines of text in an image? Whats more strange is there is no mention of it in the FAQ itself

An image is going to take longer to load than text no matter how many lines its got in it?

Whats so wrong with the second one? Same size (HxW) as the first... and it infact has a smaller file size than the first one - so should load slightly quicker... (not that you'd notice on broadband)


As I said, I've never noticed or been aware of this lines of text in a sig rule... since there is no real rule in the FAQ

Don't know but put it in your sig and find out?

 

[nikebee]

Don't know but put it in your sig and find out?

The difference between the first one and the second one is that I'll probably get suspended for the second one

 

[NeilF]

The difference between the first one and the second one is that I'll probably get suspended for the second one

Well, there's still question marks about that? It was news to me before I happened to find out second hand in this thread?

It seems madness that if you have five/six lines of text in your image that's not permitted, and it's certainly not mentioned in the FAQ? I'm still having problems believing it it's so bizarre ?

Can a mod clarify if both those images above are valid sigs or not? I don't want to produce my sig (V2) to find out 5-6 lines of text in an image is not permitted?

 

[nikebee]

TBH I'd just like clarification on the more than 4 lines of text in an image *quote* rule *unquote*

Are both of these okay?

Do tell why if they're not.

Although I asked for a lock and an explanation on my 'Heads Up' thread last night and said if it wasn't okay that someone please lock and explain and not delete it... and that just got deleted... :-/

Again, nothing in the FAQ (as far as I've ever seen) about that.


Sorry for going off topic...

 

[basmic]

but then people will be saying 500kb is stupid and they will want 600....

Who said anything about 500KB?

And then someone down the line says "I dont see why it should be limited to 500x100..."

There's nothing wrong with the limit, 99% of the users get by happily with it... if you want one, you obey the rules the provider put in place for them, or go with out.

Why is this complicated?

If users don't wish to utilise the full 500 x 100, then nobody is forcing them to.

All the extra size is doing, is allowing for a little more leeway - specifially for those (such as myself) who want to be able to put the full specifications of their computer in their signature, without violating any rules.

Fine - if OcUK said "yeah, put 5-6 lines in an 400 x 75 image - it still consumes the same display space as a 400 x 75 signature" then I'd be happy. It's more how the rules are enforced, TBH.

 

[NeilF]

TBH I'd just like clarification on the more than 4 lines of text in an image *quote* rule *unquote*

Are both of these okay?

Do tell why if they're not.

Although I asked for a lock and an explanation on my 'Heads Up' thread last night and said if it wasn't okay that someone please lock and explain and not delete it... and that just got deleted... :-/

Again, nothing in the FAQ (as far as I've ever seen) about that.


Sorry for going off topic...

It's like buses... The one time you need a mod, there's not one to be seen

ps: How are you going off topic? You're completely on it

 

[basmic]

If no images are used then up to 4 consecutive lines of normal or smaller text is permitted.

So let's get this straight. We can have either an image OR four lines of text?

There is nothing that states the image most also contain up to 4 lines of text.

 

[NeilF]

So let's get this straight. We can have either an image OR four lines of text?

There is nothing that states the image most also contain up to 4 lines of text.

The faq states four lines of text OR a 400x75 image + one line of text.

My sig was smaller than 400x75 + one line of text so I though it would be OK - I could have rendered my sig pixel for pixel with 400x75 + one line of text. But afraid not, it got removed.

But it also appears (not official) if I instead put my sig in an image it would get removed because it had more than 4 lines...


If I hadn't of started this thread I would have created a 400x75 image with 5-6 lines of text in, which could have been nuked?

A comment from a Mod would be useful? Mods mods mods? Where are you

 

[basmic]

From the sig Queen herself:

Rich/Zefan says:
You can have 29043213984235 lines of text if you really want
Rich/Zefan says:
But if it's seen as attempting to circumvent the 4 lines rule (i.e. the same amount of text wouldn't fit into 4 lines of size 1 so it was changed to an image to make it all fit) then it is taken down.
Basmic says:
I'd post in that thread also, BTW - a lot of confusion
Rich/Zefan says:
I know
Rich/Zefan says:
people don't use their common sense

 

[Zefan]

It's pretty simple.

You can have however many lines of text you want in an image, but if it is perceived as an attempt to break the 4 lines of text rule (i.e. if the text in the image wouldn't fit on to 4 lines in size 1) then it may be taken down.

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'm sure a year or two ago when the sig size dropped from 24k to 20k a fair few people got caught out (myself included) as nobody was told! Or if we were I missed the thread

I thought it was always 20k and we have similar join dates but then I've never bothered with a graphical signature yet.

While we are on the subject though has the word wrap been reintroduced at 400pixels or can it please be reintroduced, Rotty said he'd nudge an admin after another thread but nothing seems to have come of it yet so I was wondering what was happening?

 

[NeilF]

It's pretty simple.

You can have however many lines of text you want in an image, but if it is perceived as an attempt to break the 4 lines of text rule (i.e. if the text in the image wouldn't fit on to 4 lines in size 1) then it may be taken down.

Thanks... But OMG That's a very odd caveat in that it seems to achieve nothing...

Why not allow six lines of size 1 (arial)? It's smaller than the image + 1 line? And/or don't care about lines in an image?

 

[Zefan]

Rotty said he'd nudge an admin after another thread but nothing seems to have come of it yet so I was wondering what was happening?

We're trying not to muck about with fine tuning too much yet, it make upgrading again a lot more difficult so we're waiting until we know this version inside out.

Thanks... But OMG That's a very odd caveat in that it seems to achieve nothing...

The reason we have a 4 lines of text rules isn't only to keep them below a certain size, it's to keep their from being reams and reams of consecutive lines which can make the forum look like ass.


Let me give you an example.

A user decides that since he's had his 8 line signature edited out he'll just put it in an image to work around the rule. Sure it's taking up less space, but there's still a concentrated block of ugly text. A mod sees it and thinks "Cheeky bugger" and removes it.