Geohot and Fail0verflow are getting sued

WatchTower · 14 Jan 2011 at 00:51

I have a PC and PS3 plugged into my TV I just press source a couple of times to switch between them. I bet you could build a PC that costs less than a PS3 for Linux.

Naan_H · 14 Jan 2011 at 00:53

Ultra_Extreme said:
I have decided that i, personally, do not feel this is a fair leagal argument. I am opposing this motion and i move to strike.

In fact on behalf of PSN users globally I am Done with this. please issue a class action within the alotted time othewise i will be forced to persue this further

ps3ud0 said:
127.0.0.1

ps3ud0

Ultra_Extreme said:
cheers pseudo, will do what i can, imo this has gone on long enough. Usual address for support.

Care to explain or is this a private conversation

Ultra_Extreme · 14 Jan 2011 at 01:06

Naan_H said:
Care to explain or is this a private conversation

I am looking to gather information should somehow there be issue with the information released, as a result of statutory inclusion, or anyone with legal or pseudo legal movement motion be stricken from the contingency record as may anyone otherwise be falsly accused of behaving otherwise than in accordance than with the public record. It would be to the benefit of the defence council that the defendant discovered only that it was the primary target of racially or otherwise biased slurs and in propreitiest over the duration. I move for no motion as long as i feel the inherit motion of the plaintiff carries said weight to block further motion by and on behalf of the defendant.

ps3ud0 · 14 Jan 2011 at 01:12

I concur...

ps3ud0 :cool:

Ultra_Extreme · 14 Jan 2011 at 01:15

ps3ud0 said:
I concur...

ps3ud0

as i understand it, above and beyond the legal slang that is the beef of said argument, any denial or revokal of motion would now be some serious beans.... no lies

ps3ud0 · 14 Jan 2011 at 01:24

(hic) Its pure supposition that Lily the Pink is the saviour of the human race (hic)

ps3ud0 :cool:

Psycho Sonny · 14 Jan 2011 at 01:40

finga said:
more than likely psn will implement something to keep its integrity intact, but what you say about people not paying 200 quid for a machine in order to save 30 quid every 6 months!! spend 200 quid and you can get the whole catalogue of ps3, why would you only get 2 games per year for free if you had a hacked console? theres a whole other world out there dude, but the hacking community is not so big in the grand global scheme of things, largely due to people totally ignorant to the fact this kind of thing even happens

you can only play the games offline, duh.

how many offline games do you buy every year, for the sole purpose of offline play, and no online what so ever.

therefore it doesn't open up the whole catalogue of games, unless you never ever play online.

put it this way (current games i play)

call of duty - online
fifa - online

UFC - offline

therefore is it worth me to spend £200 in order to save myself £30 every 6 months?

can everybody answer this question? how many games do you buy every year just for offline? no online play what so ever.

maybe if i was 14 again and didnt have a life or a job, and spent 60 hours a week gaming, it would be worth it, but i rarely get to spend 5 hours a week gaming nowadays.

therefore i dont see this hacking business as being a great deal of use to me, unless its undetectable by PSN, therefore i only need one ps3.

5punk3monk3y · 14 Jan 2011 at 03:46

Insanity · 14 Jan 2011 at 07:44

Psycho Sonny said:
you can only play the games offline, duh.

Uh no. There's already pkg hacks that trick games into thinking they're PSN games that work on 3.55 with online/psn access, and it'll be across the board once a backup manager is released for 3.55.

Psycho Sonny · 14 Jan 2011 at 12:52

Insanity said:
Uh no. There's already pkg hacks that trick games into thinking they're PSN games that work on 3.55 with online/psn access, and it'll be across the board once a backup manager is released for 3.55.

thats because sony has not launched a detection service, they should be able to detect custom firmware and when they do, consoles will be banned from online.

therefore the whole online gaming on custom firmware wont last very long.

therefore its offline only for a hacked console.

uv · 14 Jan 2011 at 13:02

Psycho Sonny said:
therefore its offline only for a hacked console.

What's to stop someone creating homebrew software that captures the hash request for the firmware, then sends the hash for the official legit firmware back instead of the CFW hash?

Any method that Sony has of contacting the PS33 can be captured by third-party software, and responded to with legit data due to us having the root key.

I honestly can't think of a single method in which Sony can prevent homebrew software and CFW being used without limitation (for longer than the few hours it'll take to create a workaround) - and if Sony could, they'd have done it by now.

flat-6 · 14 Jan 2011 at 13:12

Psycho Sonny said:
thats because sony has not launched a detection service, they should be able to detect custom firmware and when they do, consoles will be banned from online.

therefore the whole online gaming on custom firmware wont last very long.

therefore its offline only for a hacked console.

No they won't. If you spend some time reading about this there is no way for Sony to differentiate a machine running custom firmware. This is because we will be able to create firmwares that are signed by Sony's master key and thus will appear as legitimate Sony firmware. There will be no observable difference.

Meatball · 14 Jan 2011 at 13:17

flat-6 said:
No they won't. If you spend some time reading about this there is no way for Sony to differentiate a machine running custom firmware. This is because we will be able to create firmwares that are signed by Sony's master key and thus will appear as legitimate Sony firmware. There will be no observable difference.

As said above can't Sony read the MD5/hash of the CFW which will be different to the OFW?

uv · 14 Jan 2011 at 13:25

Meatball said:
As said above can't Sony read the MD5/hash of the CFW which will be different to the OFW?

uv said:
What's to stop someone creating homebrew software that captures the hash request for the firmware, then sends the hash for the official legit firmware back instead of the CFW hash?

*edit*

Actually, it's probably even easier than that. For Sony to request the firware hash, there has to be a procedure coded into the Game OS that obtains the hash - the Game OS itself can be amended (and signed by the official Sony Key) to provide the official firmware's hash when this request is passed, without the neccessity for any homebrew intervention or packet capturing.

Mr Men · 14 Jan 2011 at 13:52

being banned from PSN won't really be a big issue for many

and I imagine it will be very easy to go between CFW and OFW if needed

ps3ud0 · 14 Jan 2011 at 14:15

Mr Men said:
being banned from PSN won't really be a big issue for many

Why wouldnt it :confused:

ps3ud0

Mr Men · 14 Jan 2011 at 14:54

because they will have free gaming maybe?

there would be no need to put your ps3 online unless playing with OFW and a legit game, much like the original xbox

ps3ud0 · 14 Jan 2011 at 15:20

Sorry I just read the last couple of posts and didnt understand what point you were agreeing with...

ps3ud0 :cool:

finga · 14 Jan 2011 at 16:40

Psycho Sonny said:
you can only play the games offline, duh.

how many offline games do you buy every year, for the sole purpose of offline play, and no online what so ever.

therefore it doesn't open up the whole catalogue of games, unless you never ever play online.

put it this way (current games i play)

call of duty - online
fifa - online

UFC - offline

therefore is it worth me to spend £200 in order to save myself £30 every 6 months?

can everybody answer this question? how many games do you buy every year just for offline? no online play what so ever.

maybe if i was 14 again and didnt have a life or a job, and spent 60 hours a week gaming, it would be worth it, but i rarely get to spend 5 hours a week gaming nowadays.

therefore i dont see this hacking business as being a great deal of use to me, unless its undetectable by PSN, therefore i only need one ps3.

lol, you must be living under a rock

the games are free for hacked consoles, nobody is buying the games just for offline, THEY ARE FREE FROM THE INTERNET, duh
there a more people play games offline than those that only play online, work it out
you base the hacking community on your own preferences, good one...

Fr0dders · 14 Jan 2011 at 20:12

finga said:
lol, you must be living under a rock

the games are free for hacked consoles, nobody is buying the games just for offline, THEY ARE FREE FROM THE INTERNET, duh
there a more people play games offline than those that only play online, work it out
you base the hacking community on your own preferences, good one...

you mis understand his point.

You wont be able to go on-line and play multiplayer using copied games.

They wont be retrospectively able to stop the console running the code, but they will be able to retrospectively introduce something that can tell you're using a burned DVD rather than the genuine disc when you go on-line.

Thus its likely any games you do pirate will play, but you won't be able to use the multiplayer aspect of them.

Which kind of defeats the point of having the game on something like COD.