German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

Flibster · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:29

If anyone is in need of sleep, the 2014 F1 tech regs have just been released on the FIA's web page.

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/SPORT/REGULATIONS/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldChampionship.aspx

Skeeter · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:32

Flibster said:
If anyone is in need of sleep, the 2014 F1 tech regs have just been released on the FIA's web page.

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/SPORT/REGULATIONS/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldChampionship.aspx

Thats my afternoon sorted! I assume all reg changes have been postponed to 2014 now (both aero and engine)?

Flibster · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:37

Skeeter said:
Thats my afternoon sorted! I assume all reg changes have been postponed to 2014 now (both aero and engine)?

I hope so, but knowing the FIA, they'll throw some last minute changes for 2012 once this season is over for the teams to panic over.

Also, Trulli is sitting out this race and Karun Chandhok is taking his place.

I was expecting him to be in the car in India, but not Germany. Trulli should be back at the next race when the updated power steering is in place.

Flibster · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:45

First quick flip through.

Engines will be able to be started from inside the ****pit with no additional equipment needed.
KERS capacity doubled.
Narrower front wing and simpler endplates and flaps.
And yet another weight increase - 660kg now.
And another - minimum weight for KERS and Engine is now 155kg. Up from 95kg for the engine alone.
KERS only in the pit lane.
8 speed gearboxes only.
V6 will be a fixed 90° angle with the turbo inside the V and the exhausts outside.

Meh...

DBT85 · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:51

Flibster said:
First quick flip through.

Engines will be able to be started from inside the ****pit with no additional equipment needed.
KERS capacity doubled.
Narrower front wing and simpler endplates and flaps.
And yet another weight increase - 660kg now.
And another - minimum weight for KERS and Engine is now 155kg. Up from 95kg for the engine alone.
KERS only in the pit lane.
8 speed gearboxes only.
V6 will be a fixed 90° angle with the turbo inside the V and the exhausts outside.

Meh...

Will the engine start be performed by the KERs?
Narrower front wing makes sence, Schumi keeps losing too many

8 speed boxes is reffering to 7 forward 1 reverse right?

Skeeter · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:53

I missed the KERS in the pitlane bit, wheres that?

The rest is all stuff we already knew. Narrower simpler front wings, V6 1.6 litre Turbos @15,000rpm and more KERS.

Flibster · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:53

Todge said:
Will the engine start be performed by the KERs?
Narrower front wing makes sence, Schumi keeps losing too many
8 speed boxes is reffering to 7 forward 1 reverse right?

1) Seems that way
2) May make the cars look a touch prettier.
3) 8 forward, 1 reverse.

Witor · 21 Jul 2011 at 10:57

Nope, 8 forward gears.

Cars now have the ability to start on their own, so no retirements due to stalling theoretically, anti-stall never quite sorted that out previously.

Flibster · 21 Jul 2011 at 11:06

There's one reg to do with the gearboxes that worries me. Specifying the gear ratios before the first event of the year.

Using the same ratio's for the entire year? Or specifying each races before the season starts?

DRZ · 21 Jul 2011 at 11:22

Flibster said:
There's one reg to do with the gearboxes that worries me. Specifying the gear ratios before the first event of the year.

Using the same ratio's for the entire year? Or specifying each races before the season starts?

If it is the former then Monaco could be quite interesting!

P.S. this discussion ought to be in a new thread really.

Skeeter · 21 Jul 2011 at 11:27

I noticed that too. Looks like they are aiming for sealed gearboxes?

Mr Jack · 21 Jul 2011 at 11:41

Flibster said:
Using the same ratio's for the entire year? Or specifying each races before the season starts?

Looks very much like one set for the year, with an exception that you can change them once during 2014.

That's... interesting. Not sure how I feel about it.

Glaucus · 21 Jul 2011 at 12:34

Rules seem pretty good to me. Especially min weight for kers and kers for pit lane. Makes it an integral part that has to be designed properly.

Nothing about rear wing?

Skeeter · 21 Jul 2011 at 12:45

Rear wing/DRS rules look to be the same as now.

I missed the KERS in the pitlane bit, which section is that in?

Glaucus · 21 Jul 2011 at 12:47

No idea, haven't looked at it yet, just going by fiibsters post.

Glaucus · 21 Jul 2011 at 12:47

Flibster said:
There's one reg to do with the gearboxes that worries me. Specifying the gear ratios before the first event of the year.

Using the same ratio's for the entire year? Or specifying each races before the season starts?

Either is stupid.

Fanatic · 21 Jul 2011 at 12:58

Chandok going to race in Trulli's place... Damn, means he won't be joining Five Live commentary for FP1 or 2

Tweaker · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:24

Was just looking on F1 site, it says that Button has entered 200 GPs but they didnt say anything last race, unless i missed it.

Skeeter · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:47

AcidHell2 said:
No idea, haven't looked at it yet, just going by fiibsters post.

Found it:

5.18 Starting the engine :
It must be possible for the driver to start the engine at any time when seated normally at the wheel and without any external assistance.

5.19 Electric mode :
The car must be run in electric mode (no ignition and no fuel supply to th0e engine) at all times when being driven in the pit lane.

I know they toyed with this idea with Le Mans cars a while back. Its an interesting rule, as coupled with the KERS button on track, the teams have to build a KERS system that can provide instant, short burst power, and yet also provide sustained low power to allow the car to drive a few hundred meters at 60mph in the pitlane.

DRZ · 21 Jul 2011 at 13:52

KERS is currently delivered "through" the engine, ie the crankshaft transmits the power through to the drivetrain.

Does that mean that in the pits they are going to have to run the engines with all valves held open? Hell of a waste of energy if so?