German Grand Prix 2011, Nürburgring Circuit - Race 10/19

sunama said:
This is very unlikely to happen given the US$billions which all the teams, collectively, have spent on aero developments.

To send F1 car aerodynamics back to 1980 levels, will be unacceptable to all the big teams.
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Why do people keep saying this, it is totally dumb and unfounded.

Every tine they change something. They have to check out the aero and restart. Just like mclaren has done, just like all. Teams had to. Do at the last big change and just like all the teams will have to do in 2014.
Just like all the teams have wasted millions on engines and now have to redesign them.
 
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Qualifying - Webber bests Hamilton to take pole
Mark Webber upstaged his Red Bull team mate at the Nurburgring on Saturday afternoon to take pole position for the German Grand Prix, as Sebastian Vettel failed to qualify for the front row of a starting grid for the first time in 15 races.

German Grand Prix qualifying - top three drivers
Pole-setter Mark Webber, McLaren's Lewis Hamilton and Webber's Red Bull team-mate Sebastian Vettel give their thoughts on an exciting qualifying session for the German Grand Prix.
Hamilton is delighted with his performance in finishing second and World Championship leader Vettel insists he is not disappointed despite missing out on the front-row for the first time in 15 races.

German Grand Prix: Watch Mark Webber's pole lap in full
Watch Mark Webber's pole lap in full from the in-car camera as the Red Bull driver sets the fastest lap in qualifying for the German Grand Prix ahead of Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel.
 
They have had to start again many times, it's an unfounded and stupid opinion. They can refine for a few years until a major change.
Like kers. Like in 2014, will need massive battery packs, massive radiators. Ad a very simple narrower front wing. It will be a total redesign.
Just like when they add a massive fuel tank. The car length and shape totally changed, meaning they had to start again.

Just like the engine changes through out the sport, just like the electrical bannings. All need millions spent.

Changing aero, won't affect the knowledge, or the win tunnels or the modelling they have done. It would just be yet again new parts.
 
sunama said:
You didnt answer my question:

"why do you think all the big teams are objecting to a radical reduction in aero? "
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same reason they reject everything, mixture of status quo, cost, safety. Teams want to go as fast as possible and front teams want as few rules as possible, as this allows them to spend money and gain time.

with the massive changes in 2014, aero is going to be have to be totally changed. I can understand ground effect. But normal aero, would cost no more to restrict in 2014 as it would be to design hat they are going to have to do anyway.

Im not suggesting 80s either
More mechanical grip though change in tyre size and rubber compound.
basic front and rear wing, with no winglets or intricate design between axles. The important bit is the balance between mechanical grip and aero. Grippier tyres means you can allow the car to have more aero.

How much do you thing, egine, kers is going to cost.
How do you think becuase of those packages, a totally new aero is going to cost, Pretty much identical to a more restricted aero. Duee= to that 2014 would be an ideal time, as it isnt just an evolution year.

New size and shape of engine, with specified mounting brackets, larger battery and raditor. Meaning body shape changes. Smaller simpler front wing. Which means the air is going to react totally differently over the entire car.
Therefore every panel is going to be different.
They havent lost their models or windtunnels, or knowledge.
 
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ZG002 said:
Where has all this "Button is a wet weather god" stuff come from all of a sudden? All he has shown is one decent wet drive?
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Last season and a half, he's won a lot of wet races.
And he was always good before that in the wet.

I just wish mclaren an him would sit down and go through so much boring data it would put a sea gull to sleep and find out what makes him slow at 80% of qualifying and why the other 20% he is on form. It must be a certain set up feature and it must be in the data somewhere. So ******** find it.
 
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ZG002 said:
He not just too smooth for the cooling conditions yesterday? es.
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he might well be, I suggested it in an earlier post. If it is the case why isn't his engineer looking at the data and telling him over the radio he needs to attack harder on out lap.
 
Right I'm off to the pub to watch it. Hope it has sound, bit nervous that it will be overshadowed by the cricket. The pubs showing both.
 
Good race once I watched it. Pub was useless no sound, so just finished watching it on iplayer.

I have to agree, I was expecting more from chandhok.
 
Has any thing been said/punishments for all the little rule braking by the top 3?
Would be surprised if they didn't get fined, but no more than that.
 
Hard to tell, both tracks have been cold and silverstone was an odd one, with the rules.
We've seen it last season RBR struggled at one or two tracks then the next race be a second ahead. Exactly what Ferrari said, last year they did well here, next race they were a second behind.
 
Yep prime tyres were setting green sectors.mclaren responded to someone else who pitted and was setting green sectors on the prime.
 
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