German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

So Rosberg went out on different brakes is that correct? If the brakes on Hamiltons car were known/suspected to break easy why wasn't he on the same set up as Rosberg?

Or am I confused?
 
justbeats said:
So Rosberg went out on different brakes is that correct? If the brakes on Hamiltons car were known/suspected to break easy why wasn't he on the same set up as Rosberg?

Or am I confused?
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Different feel from the brakes. Drivers choose what they like. Some have a higher initial bite, others are more progressive.

Carbon Industries, Brembo and Hitco and the 3 main producers iirc.
 
Hamilton drives his car on the nose which emphasises braking feel so will want a certain feel from his pedal and will probably have felt he had more of what he needed from the Brembo.
 
smr said:
So Lewis starts 21st?
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BBC still saying remains likely he'll start from pit lane. Also, am I missing something, if the gearbox was actually damaged in the crash then I thought you didn't get a penalty for changing it?

I know that if you don't finish a race you can basically say it was gearbox related and get yourself a new gearbox. But if you genuinely have damage you can't replace it without a penalty seems nuts, as in damage from a crash like that anyway, not just a gearbox failing on it's own.

The reason bbc think he's still likely to start from the pitlane is Merc are apparently keen to change the type of brake as they can't determine exactly why the Brembo is failing and don't really want to change it out. Then it becomes a case of if Hamilton was the only one using Brembo brakes, they'd probably say it was okay, but because a bunch of other cars are using Brembo's which haven't failed they are probably going to take the stance that the brakes are okay and it's Merc who are doing something weird with the brakes to make them fail.

Though from the vid some other team tried Brembo and had three failures so ruled them out.

It's very possible that in wet conditions with lower temps the brake wouldn't fail anyway so they might not change them over.
 
Lewis Hamilton will avoid a German Grand Prix pitlane start if Mercedes can prove that a change of brake disc supplier does not alter the specification of the car.

Hamilton switched to Brembo brake discs ahead of qualifying at Hockenheim, where a failure during Q1 pitched him into the barriers.

Mercedes now wants to revert back to the proven Carbone Industrie version for the race, which potentially could force a pitlane start - but the FIA says there is scope for Hamilton to take up his grid spot in certain circumstances.

Although parc ferme regulations are intended to prevent teams changing parts on the car, there is some leeway for revisions to be made.

Article 34.2 of Formula 1's sporting regulations states that: "It must be clear that any replacement part a team wishes to fit is similar in mass, inertia and function to the original."

The FIA remains in discussions with Mercedes over the matter, and if the team can show that the Carbone Industrie disc is similar enough to the Brembo version then Hamilton will be able to take up his slot on the grid if he changes it.

An FIA spokesman said: "We were aware of the problem directly after qualifying and told [Mercedes executive director] Paddy Lowe that we would need to see both discs in order to establish whether or not the CI one is 'similar in mass, inertia and function' to the Brembo disc.

"Article 34.2 of the sporting regulations allows parts to be changed without penalty if they are. We will see on Sunday and [technical delegate] Jo Bauer's report will say which parts have been changed with his permission and which parts without."

The final decision from the FIA will depend on what Mercedes wishes to do, but the governing body has made it clear that there is no exemption allowed to change parts on safety grounds.

"There is no specific allowance for changes for safety reasons so we'll just have to see what Mercedes want to do once they've had the chance to deliberate," added the FIA spokesman.

"Until we know what they want to change, if anything, we won't be in a position to say what they may have to do."

If Hamilton avoids the pitlane start, he will be 20th on the grid as he has also now taken a gearbox-change penalty.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115051
 
dannyjo22 said:
Every driver after mansell in 92 has made a right meal of their first world title. Rosberg if he wins this one could be the first to break that chain.

In what is probably the most dominant car since 92 if this continues through the season.
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So Prost in '93?? 9 wins in one season and he "made a meal out of it"?? :confused:

I grant you his only competition was Damon in the identical car. Senna's was hopeless - should never have got anywhere near challenging!
 
CSMonkeh said:
So Prost in '93?? 9 wins in one season and he "made a meal out of it"?? :confused:

I grant you his only competition was Damon in the identical car. Senna's was hopeless - should never have got anywhere near challenging!
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I also find the idea that Rosberg getting most of his wins only when Hamilton had failures and winning less races than his team mate not being making a meal out of winning this title..... an odd thing to say.

With the opposite car out on track, Hamilton has won four races, Rosberg has won two races. One of those for Hamilton came from qualifying behind Rosberg, none of Rosberg's came from qualifying behind Hamilton.
 
if it is wet it must be cooler, hams brake failures have come in the heat, so wonder if he will just swap for more brembo discs.

if its proper wet will they start from the pit lane and put a wet setup?
 
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