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argh, looks like all of the bbc media isnt working. Iplayer doesnt load and they haven't put up the 5 minute highlights... 
German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19
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German's are well educated people and want to see competitive racing, F1 has become the racing equivalent of WWE to attract casuals.
You only have to look at Vettel this season after four years of dominating to see that driver ability is largely irrelevant, you can say that's always been the case but it's worse now than before because drivers are no longer able to show their worth and push the car beyond its normal capability... push too hard tyres wear out and you end up slower, push too hard and you use too much fuel and end up having to slow down. Not to mention seeing the same boring artificially induced overtakes every race due to the DRS zone.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28388059
They can replace the broken parts, but the change from Brembo to Carbon industries brakes would apparently require a start from the pit lane.
As Wolff said, it's a short amount of time to chose to go with another Brembo. Looking it up it seems like the track temp was 48C at the start of the Canada GP, and track temp was very high today, and the Brembo failed both times. Maybe the super soft, how hot they get, the hot track temp is a combination of reasons the brakes are failing. IIRC there were a few other brake failures in the Canadian GP, I wouldn't bet against most if not all of them failing being Brembo's.
It's not absurd to consider changing them and a change would seemingly mean a start from the pit lane.
The last paragraph was a little ambiguous, it could be read as they don't know if they'll change the brakes and take the penalty. It could also be read as they don't know if they'll get a penalty if they change the brakes.
In other quotes Hamilton has said he doesn't know where he'll be starting tomorrow but that is more down to what level of damage there is.
Guardian also saying that, it seems like no one is quite sure if changing brake type would get a penalty.
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Yes but I'm sure there were folk on here saying once he gets into a top team (which he now is) after Lotus, he would be in full on ownage mode.
Um... good point.
I would assume so yes, as any unversed grid penalties are carried to the next race now. Perhaps this is why they are so keen to find out if changing the brakes will mean they start from the pitlane, as they want to avoid carrying the 5 place penalty if they do.
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I don't know which things cause you to start from the pit lane. Would the FIA be stupid enough to for instance, lets say changing the brakes means starting from pit lane, then changing the gearbox means a 5 grid penalty which you couldn't effectively take starting from the pit lane.
But what if you do the gear box first, drop from 15th to 20th, then do the brakes, dropping you to pitlane....
I think/hope that they are basically saying, they are changing brakes, if that means starting from the pitlane they'll do the gearbox first as they can effectively change it for free. If they can change the brakes on safety grounds(which I personally think should apply... to some degree, the brakes must be rated to work in such conditions or they wouldn't try, but if they are failing in the hot it was a bit stupid to use them in the first place), then they'll just start where they are probably.
That's not how it works. Starting from the pit lane doesn't 'cancel out' a grid penalty, as that's one of the things it's designed to stop happening. If a driver doesn't serve all or part of a grid penalty then it carries to the next race. Starting from the pits classes as not serving the penalty.
no but your first benchmark in F1 is on the opposite side of the garage and kimi looks like he's in a different category of racing altogether compared to his team mate...
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Fact is Kimi was driving well 2 years ago, that doesn't translate to him being great this year. More than anything he's a driver that may/may not adapt well. Alonso has been driving a difficult to handle Ferrari for years, Kimi hasn't, the car is a dog. The lotus looked far far far more manageable in the past few years. Moving to a new team, a new rule set and very different cars, to a team struggling isn't that easy.
Hamilton, one of if not the best drivers in formula one himself and his team have said he's more comfortable this year. Some things just take time, however Hamilton would have no trouble jumping in a sim over 2012-13 winter to learn as much as he could about the Merc before driving it, and testing each new track in the new car as they came up.... this is where Kimi's borderline unprofessional behaviour is hurting him.
He's not really adapting to the car. Don't forget that at times he looks good, but he can't seem to get the car set up at all. He may find his setup in 6 months and be great from then on, he may never get the chance, he may just not be bothered. He may have got his last big contract and not give a crap beyond that.
The car often looks horrendous to drive when ALonso is in charge, but being used to the brakes, the setup and having a couple years of equally dodgy cars he simply has a massive amount of experience that Kimi wasn't going to match overnight in that car.
the only driver that this year has adapted to a new car epically well is Riccy, but in reality, he went from a fairly difficult to handle, not particularly good car to a much much faster and probably easier to handle car. With the way their driver program works it's likely they keep many things similar across the teams, brakes, wheel setup, etc, to make that transition much easier.
As that video says, Alonso took time to adapt to the Mclaren and only really felt comfortable when they let him put brakes he was used to on the car.
As above, Kimi would almost certainly be better if he was more professional and spent hours in the sim every week and preseason.
Hamilton, one of if not the best drivers in formula one himself and his team have said he's more comfortable this year. Some things just take time, however Hamilton would have no trouble jumping in a sim over 2012-13 winter to learn as much as he could about the Merc before driving it, and testing each new track in the new car as they came up.... this is where Kimi's borderline unprofessional behaviour is hurting him.
He's not really adapting to the car. Don't forget that at times he looks good, but he can't seem to get the car set up at all. He may find his setup in 6 months and be great from then on, he may never get the chance, he may just not be bothered. He may have got his last big contract and not give a crap beyond that.
The car often looks horrendous to drive when ALonso is in charge, but being used to the brakes, the setup and having a couple years of equally dodgy cars he simply has a massive amount of experience that Kimi wasn't going to match overnight in that car.
the only driver that this year has adapted to a new car epically well is Riccy, but in reality, he went from a fairly difficult to handle, not particularly good car to a much much faster and probably easier to handle car. With the way their driver program works it's likely they keep many things similar across the teams, brakes, wheel setup, etc, to make that transition much easier.
As that video says, Alonso took time to adapt to the Mclaren and only really felt comfortable when they let him put brakes he was used to on the car.
As above, Kimi would almost certainly be better if he was more professional and spent hours in the sim every week and preseason.
You seem to hate Jenson Button quite a bit don't you? I don't quite see where I'm being delusional either... I've never said Jenson was going to win the WDC or alluded to where he might finish in the WDC this season, or anyother season for that matter
Well if Kimi decides not to do sim work, albeit being paid millions of pounds a year to skip no less, then that's his own undoing and it serves him right to be at odds with the car.
At the end of the day being a Formula 1 driver these days isn't just about getting into a car and being able to drive fast, it's much more demanding mentally and physically than it's ever been.
I'd rather see someone like Jules Bianchi get a seat in that Ferrari next year, someone who is prepared to work for it and earn his keep.
At the end of the day being a Formula 1 driver these days isn't just about getting into a car and being able to drive fast, it's much more demanding mentally and physically than it's ever been.
I'd rather see someone like Jules Bianchi get a seat in that Ferrari next year, someone who is prepared to work for it and earn his keep.
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It is, and really he should. It's why I said in terms of being an F1 driver he's completely unprofessional. However I can completely understand why.
For so many people sport is something they practice, they do the same thing over and over and over again, to the point it's work rather than fun. I absolutely get that for some people playing(in this case driving) by the seat of your pants and feeling every corner, rather than having done a bunch of full race distances in the sim, is something he wants.
If I was in charge of Ferrari I wouldn't have hired him, or I'd have had a sim hours stipulation or potentially offered him a much smaller wage if he was effectively doing less of the job.
He's a great personality, he comes out with the best lines of anyone and the driving off track and locked gate thing was one of the best moments of the past 20 years of racing
But due to the demands of the job these days I'd take him as a great driver on the cheap at a smaller team, but wouldn't take him to be a "modern" F1 driver at any of the bigger teams.
Every driver after mansell in 92 has made a right meal of their first world title. Rosberg if he wins this one could be the first to break that chain.
In what is probably the most dominant car since 92 if this continues through the season.
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