German Grand Prix 2016, Hockenheim - Race 12/21

CaptainRAVE said:
^^yup, Hamilton is stuffed at the end of the season. He needs a race win in hand.

That was a lot of smoke from rosbergs car!
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He'll take a penalty at Spa and as they've seemingly fixed whatever caused three turbos to blow so quickly, no particular reason to think he'll need to take more than 2 or even 3 new engines all in one weekend.

Which certainly means there is lets say 98% chance Rosberg will outscore Hamilton with ease at Spa, but you'd put money on Hamilton getting back into the top 6 or so, hopefully will only lose 10-15 points. If he keeps winning most races that is a more than manageable amount. But there is very little room for extra problems, a crash with someone else, Rosberg smacking him off or a different engine failure or gearbox going out of sequence all just makes it that much more difficult for him.

Smoke is usually just heavy oil fill, spills over as they come out and burns off on the exhaust, if it persists beyond the pitlane and first couple corners it's more likely something serious.
 
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So what have merc got that their one lap pace is so far ahead of rb and ferrari?

I assume they are able to get the tyres in the window a lot quicker than the other cars to exploit the brand new rubber?

In race pace the gap seems to be considerably smaller especially red bull this weekend.
 
People apparently missed that Hamilton killed Rosberg in FP2 and FP3 on the softs from what I remember, just not supersofts. But Hamilton has an older engine he still needs beyond this race so likely didn't turn it up all the way where Rosberg would turn it up and push further. Though I also think Hamilton is purposefully not doing a full good lap and working on several individual corners to hide his pace/data from Rosberg.

Ham still needs this engine to use on Fridays over the rest of the season. The extra session this engine can do on a Friday is one less his race engines won't have to. Rosberg will have lots of old engines to rotate around and save his race engines from as none have died as such as just are older and not the full performance required for races.
 
SS-89 said:
So what have merc got that their one lap pace is so far ahead of rb and ferrari?

I assume they are able to get the tyres in the window a lot quicker than the other cars to exploit the brand new rubber?

In race pace the gap seems to be considerably smaller especially red bull this weekend.
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I thought their race pace was well ahead too, at least from the average times from fp1?

Times all quite close here though. 1 second between the top 10!
 
That's got to be painful for the rest of the grid.

Closest is Ricciardo who is 0.348 down on Hamilton in Q1, but he was on the super softs and Hamilton and Rosberg were on the soft tyres.

Ouch.
 
SS-89 said:
So what have merc got that their one lap pace is so far ahead of rb and ferrari?

I assume they are able to get the tyres in the window a lot quicker than the other cars to exploit the brand new rubber?

In race pace the gap seems to be considerably smaller especially red bull this weekend.
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Meh, everyone for years has gotten their tires into the window. THe merc engine is still significantly ahead of Renault, their chassis is a large margin ahead of Ferrari. Main thing is they have a versatile car that has no weak tracks. Here Ferrari probably gain on RBR through engine where as Hungary the lose out to RBR on chassis.

Race pace, RBR/Ferrari aren't close to Merc, you can't take FP2 times as they are, you need to factor in the general gains from FP2 to race that each team shows which gives you an idea about how they run in FP2. Merc gain WAY more than anyone else from FP2 to race, indicating both they run max fuel and lower engine mode and simply extrapolate that data to if the car was losing fuel every lap and running higher engine mode and come up with their model. It's pretty much just a case of engine mode +1, gain 3/10ths a lap, -1 lap fuel, deg improves X percent. Once you have dozens of races you can test different to race conditions but still get the data you need.

Ferrari almost never gain anything, which leads you to think they run race engine modes and probably middle stint fuel in FP2, RBR gain a little but not much so somewhere between Ferrari/Merc, closer to Ferrari. So if over 10 races Merc gain 1 second a lap from FP2 to race, Ferrari gain nothing and RBR gain 2/10ths, you need to factor those numbers into FP2 numbers to see where they probably really are.
 
Did Rosberg manage to create a scrubbed set of SS earlier in qualifying?

Then again sure you just do that on an outlap.
 
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