Getting beeped when you're not in the wrong

[Phil99]

You're partially correct as well lol. You said only in congested situations. hat's not what the highway code says. Aside from congestion, if a car is hogging any lane to your right and you're maintaining a steady speed and you happen to pass them, you've done nothing wrong.

Unless I've misunderstood some subtlety here, it's exactly what the highway code says . In my previous post I just copied the first bit of rule 268 - apologies if that's what you're basing your post off. Here it is in full:

Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

It gets a bit muddy because it's a "do not" rather than a "must not", so it's not backed up by a specific law. However, on the Ask the Police site it uses your example:

However, whilst there is no specific offence of overtaking on the left, if a driver undertook another vehicle, other than in the circumstances described above e.g. in the case of someone hogging lane 2 on a motorway, they may be prosecuted for careless driving.

Note that as undertaking isn't defined as moving lanes to pass on the inside, maintaining your speed to pass a vehicle on the inside when they're lane hogging could, according to the police, get you in trouble. Of course in reality I'd assume the chances of them pulling you up on this would be minimal because i.) there would actually have to be police on the road with nothing better to do than pull you over for it, and ii.) they should really be going after the middle lane hogger instead.

 

[Nomisf]

Feel you pain on this one, I used to live in a house that backed onto the Kingston Roundabout in MK. Its twice as terrifying on a bike, but at least you have the power to weight to get ahead of the other car before a problem can occur.

 

[theone8181]

Unless I've misunderstood some subtlety here, it's exactly what the highway code says . In my previous post I just copied the first bit of rule 268 - apologies if that's what you're basing your post off. Here it is in full:



It gets a bit muddy because it's a "do not" rather than a "must not", so it's not backed up by a specific law. However, on the Ask the Police site it uses your example:



Note that as undertaking isn't defined as moving lanes to pass on the inside, maintaining your speed to pass a vehicle on the inside when they're lane hogging could, according to the police, get you in trouble. Of course in reality I'd assume the chances of them pulling you up on this would be minimal because i.) there would actually have to be police on the road with nothing better to do than pull you over for it, and ii.) they should really be going after the middle lane hogger instead.

I've always thought of it as going infront of them, i.e. someone in the middle lane doing 60, you pass on the left at 70 but stay in the left lane. Thats not undertaking and is perfectly legal, gets a bit gray if you pull out to overtake a car in the left lane though.

 

[mrk]

Unless I've misunderstood some subtlety here, it's exactly what the highway code says . In my previous post I just copied the first bit of rule 268 - apologies if that's what you're basing your post off. Here it is in full:



It gets a bit muddy because it's a "do not" rather than a "must not", so it's not backed up by a specific law. However, on the Ask the Police site it uses your example:



Note that as undertaking isn't defined as moving lanes to pass on the inside, maintaining your speed to pass a vehicle on the inside when they're lane hogging could, according to the police, get you in trouble. Of course in reality I'd assume the chances of them pulling you up on this would be minimal because i.) there would actually have to be police on the road with nothing better to do than pull you over for it, and ii.) they should really be going after the middle lane hogger instead.

I see what you mean But then hogging lanes is against the law too, so who would the police pull over in this situation

 

[Akagi]

Oh dear. I always pass people on the inside on the motorway. Lane hoggers etc. Often the inside lane is totally empty for miles with loads of idiots in the other lanes, so I just stick to 70 and cruise on past everyone on the inside... You just have to be wary of people who suddenly decide they are going to move into the correct lane, without checking their mirrors.

 

[SDK^]

I got beeped today by a HGV driver because he was too close to my rear and nearly crashed into me because I stopped for a read light

 

[ChroniC]

This post is a perfect place to ask the question on a road I've often been beeped at.
I have given and chosen the safest options because I don't know if I'm right or wrong. Maybe some people will side with me or give clarification because frankly after 20yrs of driving I should know....

This is the road.


This is my view on it


This is how a lot of people treat it. I think mostly cause they are just trying to jump the queue instead of waiting patiently.


What do u guys think.

 

[Akagi]

I think they should put markings on the road, I think your assumption is more likely.

 

[ChroniC]

I think they should put markings on the road, I think your assumption is more likely.

That's the crux of the problem though. There are not little dotted lines to show like on many roundabouts these days and I'm sure it's in the highway code somewhere, but I think in some strange setups a lot of roads are just take your pick. I would love to know who would win an insurance claim if there was a crash in the middle.
How do the insurance people decide?

 

[MartinPrince]

I think they should put markings on the road, I think your assumption is more likely.

This is the cause of the problem. The approach to the roundabout should be in single file. There really shouldn't be two cars abreast at that roundabout. If there are then the right line should be turn right only.

Until somebody sees fit to mark that approach properly then I would just position my car in the centre of road therefore blocking cars from undercutting or overtaking and then just exit the roundabout as intended, in single file.

We had similar issues with many roundabouts in my area but thankfully they are all now clearly marked on approach.

 

[LiE]

Your view is correct. There’s nothing I can see on the road markings that would allow the left lane to go into the middle lane. Those 2 lanes are for the right lane. We have a similar roundabout here and I’m forever being cut up by people going from the left lane (straight on only) not my lane (straight on and right).

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Agree with @LiE here
Thats however on the assumption that once in a lane you cannot change. Which is technically wrong of course.
If you are in the right lane on approach, as you enter the new road you enter a lane that splits into two, you can choose either.
If your in the left lane your in a lane that splits into two also, but these go in different directions.

There is nothing that technically stops you being in the left, joining the new road and changing lanes to the right to go into the "middle" lane of the new 3 lane part, however you would be switching lanes and in theory should check its safe and indicate.

 

[jpaul]

no white solid lines on the roundabout ... so, of course, you can change - once on there
approaching the roundabout, if the traffic on it is light, I'd queue behind the most competent driver left or right lane to get onto the roundabout, and adjust when on there.


would be fascinating to see how tesla ''auto drive' could cope with these ... if you saw the good JMai programme on making cars/mini's,
(reality check) the AI expert said maybe in 20years AI would be up to it .