Gibson les Paul?

I'd recommend getting some pedal kits as you clearly like fooling around with them - i'm the same.

You'll soon realise that a lot pedals are just tweaked versions of old analogue circuits and that you can make your own for 20-30 quid. There's no magic to a lot of modern pedals, just buy some decent components and you're away.

The Strymon stuff is a different beast, some very clever stuff there but a lot of pedals can be DIY. I have a thing for overdrives and have made tons but soon sell on most of them, just keep the really good ones.

Something I'm going to go for as there are two or three more pedals I'd like to get but can't justify the price, one I’m dying to get is the Emerson Paramount Overdrive, such a versatile pedal. I discovered JedsPeds.co.uk and they do some pretty cool stuff and don't just stick to the run-of-the-mill pedal requests.

I'm a big fan of a shoegaze artist Andy Othling (Youtube link). Ray I think you and he would get on well!! But seriously though, he does put pedals such as the various Strymon models to the test and really shows what you can do with the gear. Makes me want to run my setup in stereo!
 
Bad example - they wouldn't be U2 otherwise.
I'm not a U2 fan but I class the Edge has being an innovator of how to use effects and how to sound like you're doing a lot when you're doing something very simple.

But is that not the aim of every guitarist? Do make the best sound possible with the least amount of effort? The guitar is a hard enough instrument to master without making life hard for oneself.

How often do you see guitarists doing some amazingly good sounding solos yet ultimately is nothing more than 'glorified scales'? (tongue in cheek). They got that good and fast through practice, practice, practice!!

I think there is an argument for doing things the easy way but ultimately to progress to more than proficient it takes practice.

Check out the documentary It’s Going to get Loud with The Edge, Jimmy Page and Jack White. It's a fascinating example of three very different guitarists who have honed their craft over years, all very different but all brilliant in their own right (IMO).
What really stood out to me in the documentary was how The Edge uses his gear. I mean he's got SERIOUS amounts of gear and when I was watching the program I must confess I was judging him over the others as they were just playing the guitar brilliantly well, letting the guitar/amp do the work, yet he was tap-dancing with his pedals. Yet Edge states that often a pedal will do one thing well, even only used for a single song and even then sometimes only for a single part. How does he know? He must have spent some serious hours finding out.
I can relate to that on a small scale. For example I have pedals that on paper would be absolute junk, e.g. Behringer RV600 (reverb), it cost £35 new and isn't a patch on my Boss reverb, yet it has a shimmer setting that sounds great and comes at 1/4 of the cost of the Verbzilla that has a similar effect. But it sounds absolutely fantastic when I do what Edge does and hold a Herdim .87mm nylon pick upside down and pick the strings - because of the nobbly effect on the pick it gives it a grating sound but couple that with the shimmer effect on the RV600 it sounds very 80’s classic U2.

My point is that it’s all very well saying ‘someone has all the gear and no idea’ but I don’t think a guitarist should be judged for relying on the gear used (talking more on a gigging/professional level now) but there can be real talent in how the gear is used and even more so how it’s used in conjunction with other gear, in the context of a band and in a song/part/style. It may not be as impressive as Satriani or Petrucci flying about the fret board at a million miles per hour or as iconic as Page but if The Edge (for example) can exploit sounds from such a huge amount of gear then is this not a talent in itself too?

It’s like comparing old school DJ’s that used vinyl and could tell you the tempo of a song from just listening to it compared to modern DJing that rely on computers and electronics do to the same for them. From having friends that do both there is a vast and varied array of knowledge that both have over the other but serve for different situations and tastes. Purist vs. modernist perhaps but if we were all the same it would make life pretty boring!
 
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Something I'm going to go for as there are two or three more pedals I'd like to get but can't justify the price, one I’m dying to get is the Emerson Paramount Overdrive, such a versatile pedal. I discovered JedsPeds.co.uk and they do some pretty cool stuff and don't just stick to the run-of-the-mill pedal requests.

I'm a big fan of a shoegaze artist Andy Othling (Youtube link). Ray I think you and he would get on well!! But seriously though, he does put pedals such as the various Strymon models to the test and really shows what you can do with the gear. Makes me want to run my setup in stereo!

I think I heard of Jed, he is a memeber of another forum I think, I know of a few builders who can build anything you want, clone any of the big names you want for a fraction of the price and these people don't really make much profit if you take into account how long it takes and the costs of the price. They just love making them, some like a challege to fit a big pedal into a small enclosure. I think I asked someone, it could be Jed, about making a Tubescreamer at one point but I ended up with the JHS Double Barrel in the end so it never materialised.

I actually have a Klone from pedalprojects (which is similar to Jed, a 1 man band) and he does lots of his own designs as well as making a Klone Klon pedals.

My favourite pedal is the BigSky reverb, it's just really good. Hours of ambience with so little talent required :D

but normally I get my pedals all over, I have used...

Thomann (Germany)
Prymaxe (USA)
Rogue Guitar Shop (USA)
Humbucker Music (USA)
Hotrox (UK)
Sound affects (UK)
Pedalprojects (Iceland)

and a couple of other places I now since forgot. The best time to get them are on american holidays. 4th July, Thanksgiving, Christmas etc. you can get as much as 25% off and with the strong pound vs weak dollar what you end up paying is used prices for a new pedal.
 
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Something I'm going to go for as there are two or three more pedals I'd like to get but can't justify the price, one I’m dying to get is the Emerson Paramount Overdrive, such a versatile pedal. I discovered JedsPeds.co.uk and they do some pretty cool stuff and don't just stick to the run-of-the-mill pedal requests.

I think the manufacturer would also struggle with that if you saw the schematic for the Paramount :p

The same goes for a few other manufacturers like JHS and Lovepedal, just rip off versions of old circuits, with a bumped up price tag.

This is why I build my own, it allows me to try a lot of pedals and keep the ones I like. It's impossible to really know if a pedal will work for you unless you try it through your own rig.

Oh and I haven't seen JedsPeds before but it looks a good site. I don't tend to use prefab pcb's but they look a good bet. Also look at Fuzzdog as he makes some good boards - he has revised quite a few now to have board mounted pots which reduces wiring by quite a bit.
 
but if The Edge (for example) can exploit sounds from such a huge amount of gear then is this not a talent in itself too?

You misunderstand me, I'm an Edge fan.
Anybody who can come up with a style and make 100s & 1000s of people pick up a guitar and try and emulate them is fine by me.

It's just a shame he has to share a stage with Bono.
 
Bono wasn't actually so bad in early days, before he became glaucoma permanently mellow high raving Bono.
 
You misunderstand me, I'm an Edge fan.
Anybody who can come up with a style and make 100s & 1000s of people pick up a guitar and try and emulate them is fine by me.

It's just a shame he has to share a stage with Bono.

No I understand that, sorry, that wasn't aimed at you. It was more addressing some other comments that seemed to be along the lines of the more gear one has the more they are hiding a shortfall of talent behind it.

Bono, oh wow, I have nothing to say about his lack of guitar prowess. The guy just annoys me. To be fair though he used to be able to sing well - doesn't seem to be able to reach those high notes these days though.

Hopefully not breaking any forum rules by tagging a full documentary that I mentioned in my previous post - well worth a watch!

Admin please remove if against forum rules.
 
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^^ I've been looking for that, saw a few clips but not the entire thing, the one where Page played Whole Lotta Love and Jack White's face was priceless, like he knows he was in the presence of a legend playing a classic rock track. I'd be the same too !
 
Really enjoyed this documentary, all three brought a lot to it though I am most in ore of Jimmy Page (what a legend!) followed by Jack White though he is a little strange but I get that. :)
 
Really enjoyed this documentary, all three brought a lot to it though I am most in ore of Jimmy Page (what a legend!) followed by Jack White though he is a little strange but I get that. :)

Loved the opening sequence.

Great documentary, no matter what you think of their music, it's purely about the love of playing.
 
Got to share this because it was amazing and a kick in the balls.
In the comedy series League Of Gentlemen there is a character who used to be in a band called Creme Brulee and he basically stalks the stage asking 'Is that a Strat?' so because of this we call many stage stalkers 'Is that a Strat man'.
We've had one stalking us for the last 10 gigs, he knows everything about Fenders and he looks a bit like Yngwie Malmsteen so we call him 'Is that a strat Yngwie'.
Last night my lead guitarist handed him his Yngwie Strat that cost a lot of money and this guy immediately went into every Malmsteen trick going and we just stood there gobsmacked.
It was flawless guitar playing and when he stopped we'd ask him to continue because it was just superb. This bloke is about 50 years old, collected a lot of guitars but not once ever played in a band - what a waste of talent.
Last night we called him by his proper name Andy :D
 
Jesus, she's 15 on that video and doesn't break sweat.
I've just been watching lots of stuff all the way back to when she was 8 however the sad thing is not one video of her playing with a band.
Just one video playing with her brother and using all the wrong chords but she was very young.
 
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