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Gigabyte 580 GTX OC special edition ... problem!

mikeo

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Hi

Just purchased one of these:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-081-GI&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812
To replace my MSI 460 GTX HAWK

Removed all Nvidia drivers, ran Driver Sweeper etc. (as I would normally if changing a card). Removed old card, installed new card, installed latest Nvidia drivers.

Ran the usual battery of tests (3D mark 2001 thru 3Dmark11, AVP demo, Stone Giant 30 minutes OCCT etc.) and all appeared well. Until....

Ran Heaven DX11 benchmark 2.5
I randomly get the following error:
D3D11Appwindow::swap-window(): device removed

GOOGLEd this and the only comments I could find seem to point to not enough voltage to the GPU (what!!!!!!!!).

Tried playing Crysis2 for a while and after about 5 minutes or so, screen goes black and I get the dreaded:

Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered ... and have to end Crysis2 via Task Manager.

Question... could both of these be GPU voltage related???

The Gigabyte card only has a tiny OC on it. From looking at Afterburner the GPU voltage would appear to be 1v. Anyone know if this is on the low side for a 580 GTX???

I've tried increasing it to 1.025 and managed 3 consecutive runs of Heaven benchmark. But then again, it would sometime run through OK at 1v.

Rather lost the will to live (or rather test Crysis2 any more at the moment).

Any help / suggestions would be very welcome.

Always a shame when you splash out this much cash to replace a card that was working faultlessly (IE. never an issue with the 460).

Life................

PS. Temps appear fine and even with slight voltage bump never go much above 60C.
 
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aww that sucks it does sound like it's unstable at that voltage. As that's the bios with the card maybe you could try returning it for a replacement card. Your psu won't be the problem. What you have lost is your resale value as the card is worthless on ebay as you'll have to put ''wont run at stock without crashing just up the voltage'' which will put off buyers when you come to sell it.

So either overclock it further with more volts and use it until you upgrade without selling it keeping it as a spare or return it and have a card you can sli/sell/run cooler as a replacement.

ps. I guarantee a windows format will do nothing to fix the problem
 
I know it's somewhat different but the MSI GTX 580 Twin FrozR II/OC 1536MB runs at a standard 1.025 volts with it's latest bios.

Have you checked to see if their is a newer bios on the Gigabyte website?
 
Nelly said:
I know it's somewhat different but the MSI GTX 580 Twin FrozR II/OC 1536MB runs at a standard 1.025 volts with it's latest bios.

Have you checked to see if their is a newer bios on the Gigabyte website?
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I've had a quick look at Gigabytes site and the only download they appear to offer is the Nvidia driver (ver 266.77). Unless there is somewhere else to look!?
 
mikeo said:
I've had a quick look at Gigabytes site and the only download they appear to offer is the Nvidia driver (ver 266.77). Unless there is somewhere else to look!?
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Yeah I had a look as well, doesn't look like they provide access to bios for graphics cards.

In Utility section it says: VGA Tools -- @BIOS Click >> http://uk.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3684#utility

Have you downloaded that? not sure what it's for never used it previously with my Gigabyte Cards?
 
mikeo said:
That sounds promising.

Question.. how do you do this?
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How to here http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=336117
And here http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313989

I used these tools
NVWinFlash_5[1].95.0.1
FermiBiosEditor 1.55
NiBiTor.v6.0



mikeo said:
Further question... why did you need to do this to your card/s?
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See the 7 page long thread here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18229822&highlight=msi+580+gtx

The two OC MSI cards i bought were meant to of had a Core Clock speed of 823MHz
But they came with the standard 772mhz clocks and standard 962mV voltage
So i choose to mod the bios myself..which i changed to 800mhz and 1.025 voltage
 
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chaparral said:
Just edit the bios and increase the voltage a little..

I did this with my two MSI GTX 580's.I increased mine to 1.025
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Hi...

What did you use to edit the bios with?

I've had a quick look at NiBiTor and it can't seem to read the BIOS. I tried saving the bios with GPU-z and tried loading this into NiBiTor but not much information appeared, other than general stuff (bios name/no. etc.).

PS. Thanks for your reply, you beat me to it.
 
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Chaparral

WOW... just had a quick read through of the flashing guide. Got to admit that I don't think I'm up to that level of tweaking! Happy with a tool like Afterburner, but I think I would be too worried about messing something up at this sort of level. A classic case of know your own limits I suppose.

Everyone's nightmare I suppose, random issues with a new graphics card. I've just got a bit complacent as my last few cards have all fine from the go get.

So that really only leaves me with 3 options:

1) Leave as is with the voltage bumped in Afterburner.
2) RMA. Only problem here with a random (ish) problem like this. Is that they could loop something like 3Dmark Vantage for an hour and not see a problem. Only Heaven, or actually playing an intensive game like Crysis2 appears to show it up! Always the possibility I suppose (remote though I think it is), is that it could be some other problem in "my" system somewhere!!! So I could be lumbered with two way postage etc. and still not a 100% functioning card.
3) Return under DSR.

Much as I'm not happy about it. Option 3 looking the best at the moment.

Why do manufacturers release cards with a low VID like this and then OC them out of the box!? There seem to be any number of posts about this sort of issue. The Gigabyte 480 SOC jumps to mind here!

Life.
 
I've done a bit more digging on the issue of GPU VIDs and there are quite a few posts along these lines. MSI look to have updated the VIDs on a number of their cards, including the 580 (up to 1.025v I believe! bit suspicious this!). They even offer an updated BIOS on their WEB site. A shame that Gigabyte have not followed suit!!!

Looks like I shall be removing my new card and returning it.

Best part of 2 days fannying around...not a happy man.
 
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mikeo said:
MSI look to have updated the VIDs on a number of their cards, including the 580 (up to 1.025v I believe! bit suspicious this!). They even offer an updated BIOS on their WEB site. A shame that Gigabyte have not followed suit!!!.
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I just downloaded the updated bios from MSI website for there OC 580 and it still has a to low 962mv voltage (It Crazy )

Was this one i looked at http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-M2D15D5-OC.html#Download
 
chaparral

Sorry... I thought you had the twin frozr 580 for some reason. That's what I had been looking at. Think this is what I may end up with eventually. Never had a problem (up to now) with the 460 frozr. I've got the 460 installed and just re-testing, paranoid I am. And it does run slightly hotter than the Gigabyte 580. Just a shame I can't get it 100% stable on stock volts (the 580 that is).

See http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-Twin-Frozr-II-OC.html#?div=BIOS says "improved GPU stability".

Plain and simple... I think they are in a lot of cases putting too low a voltage through these cards! I just think it's plain wrong to expect the average (or a lot of enthusiasts come to that) buyers, to mess around with the BIOS to get their card stable.
 
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mikeo said:
chaparral

Sorry... I thought you had the twin frozr 580 for some reason. That's what I had been looking at. Think this is what I may end up with eventually. Never had a problem (up to now) with the 460 frozr. I've got the 460 installed and just re-testing, paranoid I am. And it does run slightly hotter than the Gigabyte 580. Just a shame I can't get it 100% stable on stock volts (the 580 that is).

See http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-Twin-Frozr-II-OC.html#?div=BIOS says "improved GPU stability".

Plain and simple... I think they are in a lot of cases putting too low a voltage through these cards! I just think it's plain wrong to expect the average (or a lot of enthusiasts come to that) buyers, to mess around with the BIOS to get their card stable.
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The N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC is also only set to 962mV voltage....I downloaded and checked every MSI GTX 580 bios and there all the set to the same 962mV voltage....
 
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