Caporegime
Could be introduced to the PL this season! As early as December.
Goal-line technology decision
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Soldato
I think it should only be introduced at the start of a season, not half way through a season so that all games are played equally.
Soldato
Bit unsure really. I mean it would make sure the correct decision is given but would also ruin the "banter" and "traditions" that fans have about goal line decisions, if it was or wasn't.
I have had debates with friends over the years for hours about decisions like these. Sad i know. Now it would just be a slinging match over how much money City have spent
It won't destroy any of the banter at all, theres more to talk about than just a disallowed goal. Free kicks, offsides, penalties, rubbish players, good players, amazing saves, rubbish defending, yellow cards, red cards, crunching tackles, **** decisions by the ref, oddballs in the crowd dancing or something. Still tonnes to banter about!
OP, all for it!
That system wouldn't work for the sole fact that the game has to stop before it can be reviewed. How pee'd off would you be if the ball went over the line on your side of the field but your keeper grabs it and pretends it never went in and the game carries on, your keeper kicks it up the field, your team scores and then when they finally review the incident it turns out the ball went over the line and your goal is written off and the other team gets a goal.
Pros
Will get decisions spot on, not like rugby where players pile on the try scorer, football you will always will be able to see if a goal crosses the line, will take 10-15 seconds with tech now
Example
This would have taken 2 seconds to view and 3 seconds to relate to the ref
Cons
Will end the debate/talking points and work/pub discussion if it was a over or not or a sending off.
Example
Will get decisions spot on, not like rugby where players pile on the try scorer, football you will always will be able to see if a goal crosses the line, will take 10-15 seconds with tech now
Example
This would have taken 2 seconds to view and 3 seconds to relate to the ref
Cons
Will end the debate/talking points and work/pub discussion if it was a over or not or a sending off.
Example
Soldato
I would say that is a pro not a con. You can't really argue if it went over the line or not if you just watch the video footage, it shows all.
It only took England to moan about this to get it done. Well done.
lol at sky sports using the Neur image at first then adding more in rotation. Those cheating German's.
Doesn't seem the right thing to do by rolling it out midway through a season, but at least it's going to happen.
Imagine the uproar if it doesn't work in the howling wind/rain/snow in January.
Pretty sure I read that it might just be used in the FA cup semi/finals this season as Wembley is good to go, they might wait while 2013/14 before implementing it in all of the league grounds.
Soldato
This is why i'm against goal line technology. Unless there is a full review system to go with it then there's no point.
As we saw with the England incident this time around with Terry's clearance, had that been judged to have crossed the line it would have been the wrong decision because there was an offside during the build-up.
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Eh? so two wrongs make a right then? If technology can improve just one rule of the game it's worth it surely, I don't see why it has to be an all or nothing situation.
It's like having two holes in your roof, being able to fix one but refusing to do so because there is still another hole. Sure you're getting wet either way but surely it's better to wet than drenched.
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Video replay can completely fix football, people will stop diving, people will stop pulling shirts at EVERY single set piece, will catch errant punches and stamps, leg breaking tackles, crucial offsides(and when people are onside) AND if the ball goes across the line or not.
Every single did it or didn't it cross the line situation was plain as day on camera(with only the team on the wrong end of the decision disputing it).
Video replays would fix all of football, goal line tech will fix one minor problem that, has had what, 4-5 game changing results since and including Lampards goal at the previous tournament.... so we can fix 99% of incorrect decisions with stupidly old technology that has been used in football for 20 years, or we can spend a lot to add a new tech that solves 0.0002% of incorrect decisions every year.
I'm not against it, its just worthless when video's already catch if it goes across the goal or not.
Every single did it or didn't it cross the line situation was plain as day on camera(with only the team on the wrong end of the decision disputing it).
Video replays would fix all of football, goal line tech will fix one minor problem that, has had what, 4-5 game changing results since and including Lampards goal at the previous tournament.... so we can fix 99% of incorrect decisions with stupidly old technology that has been used in football for 20 years, or we can spend a lot to add a new tech that solves 0.0002% of incorrect decisions every year.
I'm not against it, its just worthless when video's already catch if it goes across the goal or not.
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Yes but FIFA won't accept anything that slows down the game so video is a non-starter.
Furthermore you are forgetting the importance of each type of decision. Getting a goal line decision wrong always results in one team losing or getting a goal they shouldn't have. Getting an offside decision wrong, may or may not end up resulting in a goal.
Furthermore you are forgetting the importance of each type of decision. Getting a goal line decision wrong always results in one team losing or getting a goal they shouldn't have. Getting an offside decision wrong, may or may not end up resulting in a goal.
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Freekicks, throw ins etc are natural stoppages, a 'coach's challenge' wouldn't be so would slow the game down albeit by a few minutes.
I'm not defending FIFA's way of thinking, I think video evidence should be used too, I'm just pointing out that you might as well forget about it whilst Sepp and his cronies are in charge because they aren't interested. The only reason they are allowing goal line technology is because it won't introduce a new kind of stoppage.
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It would SPEED UP the game, not slow it down. Why, because currently people grab shirts at every corner and ref's constantly pull up games to give a pair of players a talking to, after a few weeks of giving away cheap penalties and red cards, this would simply stop happening.
Make throw in's non challengable, not exactly difficult, but more importantly like just about every other sport out there have 2 or 3 challenges, in which case there is little to no benefit in time wasting or using them on pointless decisions. I would guess that if we had 3 challenges per manager(where you lose one if you get it wrong) then we wouldn't have one made over a throw in , in the next decade of football.
After a few weeks we'd have, less arguing with the ref's, less freekicks, less diving, less taking ages arguing if something was a foul, less complaining after goals, less mouthing off at ref's, faster corners with less cheating, etc, etc. A huge amount of time is wasted every game purely through cheating, dives and long freekicks, corners, etc, etc. Though most of this isn't added on, its just less time in the 90mins actually spent playing football.
They also aren't interested because if you say video replays, 95% of fans INCORRECTLY say it will slow down the game. Ref, 30 second replay from multiple angles, it will either happen a few times some games, loads in some games, none in others. It will improve referee's by giving them real time feedback in their decisions rather than reviewing it 2 hours after the fact with no chance of it being fresh in their mind. They'll start getting decisions right more often which will negate the need for challenges.
Fact is ref's suck and players constantly cheat and its getting worse every year and video replay will fix 99% of cheating almost instantly and 99% of incorrect decisions. Every time anyone mentions it in a pub, tell them why it will speed up the game, when the majority of fans want video replays, Fifa will get it going, most fans have a whole raft of reasons why it will somehow ruin football and they are frankly all wrong.
Make throw in's non challengable, not exactly difficult, but more importantly like just about every other sport out there have 2 or 3 challenges, in which case there is little to no benefit in time wasting or using them on pointless decisions. I would guess that if we had 3 challenges per manager(where you lose one if you get it wrong) then we wouldn't have one made over a throw in , in the next decade of football.
After a few weeks we'd have, less arguing with the ref's, less freekicks, less diving, less taking ages arguing if something was a foul, less complaining after goals, less mouthing off at ref's, faster corners with less cheating, etc, etc. A huge amount of time is wasted every game purely through cheating, dives and long freekicks, corners, etc, etc. Though most of this isn't added on, its just less time in the 90mins actually spent playing football.
They also aren't interested because if you say video replays, 95% of fans INCORRECTLY say it will slow down the game. Ref, 30 second replay from multiple angles, it will either happen a few times some games, loads in some games, none in others. It will improve referee's by giving them real time feedback in their decisions rather than reviewing it 2 hours after the fact with no chance of it being fresh in their mind. They'll start getting decisions right more often which will negate the need for challenges.
Fact is ref's suck and players constantly cheat and its getting worse every year and video replay will fix 99% of cheating almost instantly and 99% of incorrect decisions. Every time anyone mentions it in a pub, tell them why it will speed up the game, when the majority of fans want video replays, Fifa will get it going, most fans have a whole raft of reasons why it will somehow ruin football and they are frankly all wrong.
I disagree with the stoppages excuse, usually when a key decision is made incorrectly the game naturally comes to standstill anyway because the team surround the referee/linesman, TV replays have usually shown 10 replays of the incident by the time play resumes.
I think for most other decisions they should just give the fourth official a TV monitor and allow each team 3 challenges each, it works brilliantly in tennis and adds to the games enjoyment whilst having the desired outcome of ensuring human errors are corrected.
I think for most other decisions they should just give the fourth official a TV monitor and allow each team 3 challenges each, it works brilliantly in tennis and adds to the games enjoyment whilst having the desired outcome of ensuring human errors are corrected.
Soldato
Definitely for this decision, the sooner they make it happen the better imho.
Now i wonder if they will ever find another solution to the dreaded penalty shoot out
I have a solution for that.
After 110 minutes (10 minutes extra time each way) we start losing players every 5 minutes. Until a team scores. No time added on for injuries or stoppages after the 110 minutes.
At 115 we go down to 10 men at 120 we go down to 9 125 we go down to 8 and so on until we get a goal.
Be rare for the teams to go past 7 players each.
or for a quicker result we start from 90 minutes.
Soldato
In that case two wrongs did make a right, yes
I'm not sure about the roof analogy, i mean if i had two holes in my roof i'd definitely want both of them fixed
There was a similar situation in cricket, the third umpire gave someone out, on closer inspection it was actually a no ball because the bowler stepped over the line. They always check that now.
With the amount of money involved in the game today and with it being recognised as a professional sport I'm surprised it wasn't in long ago! It needs to be implemented ASAP. A flashing light on the ref's watch when the ball crosses the line is the best solution IMO. Leave the extra linesmen behind goals (they do NOTHING anyway) worry about fouls and shirt tugging etc.