Goal-line technology decision
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Goal-line technology too costly for Champions League
I can't say I've watched many CL games this season but in the Europa League the goal line officials have been so poor it's hard not to think they're completely blind.
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I can't say I've watched many CL games this season but in the Europa League the goal line officials have been so poor it's hard not to think they're completely blind.
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What if the technology fails and because the ref is relying upon it he isn't watching to eee if it is over the line or not?
If they rely upon it too much it would not be ideal.
If they rely upon it too much it would not be ideal.
"Practically no mistakes have been made"
Sad thing is, he probably genuinely believes it.
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So, is this happening now or not?
I find it hard to believe that it's too expensive for them but the automated system the Premier League are looking at does seem like a massive waste of money for something which happens once in a blue moon.
I'm probably going to sound like a broken record but I don't see why they don't just give the referee and/or fourth official access to a TV monitor to study the camera angles/replays and allow each manager some challenges... every other sport that has adopted the challenge system is a joy to watch and the challenges add drama to them.
I'm probably going to sound like a broken record but I don't see why they don't just give the referee and/or fourth official access to a TV monitor to study the camera angles/replays and allow each manager some challenges... every other sport that has adopted the challenge system is a joy to watch and the challenges add drama to them.
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They are making a big deal about goal line stuff and trying to find reasons to not do it because if they can use technology for the goal line it won't be long before everyones asking why they can't use video replay for everything.
Its daft, video replays are a stupidly easy to implement technology, the prem league games are already filmed with replays done quicker than the ref needs them and 99% of the incorrect goal line decisions have been caught on camera.
A small smartphone like device and screen if they wanted it to be direct to the ref in seconds would be viable these days, costing far less than the wages of 2 extra and entirely useless ref's they put in. Costs being too high, lol, the fact that the referee pool and wages are so low when there are so many billions involved in football is already laughable, talking about big costs for technology when we're talking about a few thousand per club for goal line, and essentially the cost of a tablet/smartphone for replays as most of the people involved are already being employed at the games anyway.
Tablet, link to footage, a back up screen/tablet on the touch line and hiring a few people to inspect and check on the guys doing the replays so some fan of a team working in the editing booth doesn't leave out a particularly incriminating replay... job done.
Completely fair football, with 99.9% of game changing decisions being made correctly within days of implementation, in leages worth billions, and costs in the low millions to implement across the big leagues and all champs league games... laughable excuse.
Honestly the longer they refuse to really talk about video replays, the more bent football appears.
Its daft, video replays are a stupidly easy to implement technology, the prem league games are already filmed with replays done quicker than the ref needs them and 99% of the incorrect goal line decisions have been caught on camera.
A small smartphone like device and screen if they wanted it to be direct to the ref in seconds would be viable these days, costing far less than the wages of 2 extra and entirely useless ref's they put in. Costs being too high, lol, the fact that the referee pool and wages are so low when there are so many billions involved in football is already laughable, talking about big costs for technology when we're talking about a few thousand per club for goal line, and essentially the cost of a tablet/smartphone for replays as most of the people involved are already being employed at the games anyway.
Tablet, link to footage, a back up screen/tablet on the touch line and hiring a few people to inspect and check on the guys doing the replays so some fan of a team working in the editing booth doesn't leave out a particularly incriminating replay... job done.
Completely fair football, with 99.9% of game changing decisions being made correctly within days of implementation, in leages worth billions, and costs in the low millions to implement across the big leagues and all champs league games... laughable excuse.
Honestly the longer they refuse to really talk about video replays, the more bent football appears.
I don't want to come over like a RAWK or Blue moon poster, but goal line technology, or anything that takes the ability of UEFA referees to make absolutely appalling decisions away is a bad thing for UEFA.
So many games have been decided by a referees utter incompetence in european competitions over the past few years its very hard to think that, while the referees might not be bent, UEFA relies heavily on their blatant inability and inadequacy to insure that the results they want to happen happen.
Milimetre accurate? so it's not totally accurate then? 
I can see why UEFA don't want to waste money on it, imo a better solution would be a few cameras built into the goal frame looking along the line and allow challenges, at least teams will be able to challenge other more regularly incorrect decisions as well.. lets face it it could be more than a season before we have an incident which requires Hawkeye. Hawkeye seems like an overly complex system which will (presumably) need a lot of maintenance for a problem that is quite rare. It seems a bit strange with all of the cost/effort going into correcting goal line decisions which happen once in a blue moon when practically every week you get offside goals given or onside goals disallowed.
I can see why UEFA don't want to waste money on it, imo a better solution would be a few cameras built into the goal frame looking along the line and allow challenges, at least teams will be able to challenge other more regularly incorrect decisions as well.. lets face it it could be more than a season before we have an incident which requires Hawkeye. Hawkeye seems like an overly complex system which will (presumably) need a lot of maintenance for a problem that is quite rare. It seems a bit strange with all of the cost/effort going into correcting goal line decisions which happen once in a blue moon when practically every week you get offside goals given or onside goals disallowed.
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Video replays are definitely the way to go, but like some of you have said it's never going to happen while Blatter is in charge. At least we have some progress with this goal line technology but it's something that's only going to happen once in a blue moon.
It depends what they mean by 'millimetre accurate'? I'm guessing that means anything up to 1cm? according to their website Tennis Hawkeye has a mean error of 3.6mm, but in tennis the balls are travelling at 80-130mph and there isn't a camera along every line to scrutinize every call.
Would TV replays be able to tell if a ball was 7mm over the line and not given by Hawkeye (and vice versa)? they say not but I'm a bit skeptical.
It just seems like a huge investment for what is such a rare occurence and even then they still might get the call wrong (though to a much lesser degree).
I guess I just won't be satisified until a challenge/replay system is implemented, hopefully this is a stepping stone towards that in the Premier League at least.
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I'd assume it means accurate to the nearest millimetre.
What I found interesting was that FIFA recently chose to use one of the rival German systems in some upcoming tournament (Confederations Cup?) in preparation/trial for the world cup. Yet the FA have gone with Hawkeye. Surely it would make more sense for competitions that are going to introduce goalline tech to use the same solution? Otherwise if a tournament under FIFA jurisdiction got awarded to a nation that used a different solution you'd have to fork out loads of extra cash to replace it with FIFA's official system. e.g. we pay enough bribes to get the World Cup but then can't use Hawkeye despite all our major stadia having it.