Going batty in Batley (or comic strip strikes again).

[Nasher]

We shouldn't be letting religion dictate anything in the UK. Especially one which only arrived recently and isn't part of British (or European) culture.

There are no religious laws here. We shouldn't care and shouldn't be making special exceptions for a religion which really doesn't fit the western world. If they don't like it there are plenty of Islamic countries to live in.

 

[FoxEye]

Schools routinely make meal menu choices based on likely consumption and practicality of cooking the proposed range of options.

Should they ignore all dietary requirements of their pupils when doing so, or just ones you don't like?

If a school chose to replace all meat with Quorn, because it upset veggies, would that be a "compromise" do you think?

So taking pork off the menu and replacing it with Turkey - for *all* students - is that a compromise, do you think?

 

[Dolph]

If a school chose to replace all meat with Quorn, because it upset veggies, would that be a "compromise" do you think?

So taking pork off the menu and replacing it with Turkey - for *all* students - is that a compromise, do you think?

Depends, if they only have the capacity to cook one menu option, then I'd expect it to be as inclusive as possible.

If they have the capacity to cook more than one, I'd expect the range to cover all pupils.

I'd oppose blanket guidance forcing the issue one way or another, but I would respect the school's right to make the choice they feel best for their pupils, which might well lean towards turkey bacon as default because it's significantly healthier irrespective of any cultural or religious sensitivities.

 

[deuse]

woke .

Why do you keep telling people they have awaken\awoken?

 

[Tony Edwards]

Why do you keep telling people they have awaken\awoken?

Thats not me thats you lot. You are the ones throwing around woke like its some sort of insult to left wingers.

 

[Dunners]

You are missing something, in that religion is a protected characteristic the same as race, gender etc under the equality act, so as a matter of UK law, both are equally protected.

The idea that religion (or lack thereof) is a choice is also something that is far from clear cut. For some people it is as much about their identity as their race or gender, whether through indoctrination as a child or carefully considered analysis of the world as an adult. It's not necessarily easy to explain why different people believe what they do, but it isn't always a clear and active choice that individual has made in the way the concept is usually applied.

Surely mocking an individual due to their race is on a totally different scale to mocking a particular religion as a whole? If the law treats those two things the same then I would suggest we have a problem with the law.

Where would we draw the line - if a new religion appeared with new rules on what was deemed offensive would we need to adjust our behaviour for it?

I do agree that its hard for children to have a choice given the circumstances they are born into but for me, grown adults shoud understand it is a choice. If the indoctrination is taking away their capacity to choosec, surely that is the worse crime. We should be able to mock the belief systems of others.

 

[Tony Edwards]

We shouldn't be letting religion dictate anything in the UK. Especially one which only arrived recently and isn't part of British (or European) culture.

There are no religious laws here. We shouldn't care and shouldn't be making special exceptions for a religion which really doesn't fit the western world. If they don't like it there are plenty of Islamic countries to live in.

Apart from.

Christianity and the law in the UK
England has an established church - one that is recognised by law as the official church of the nation. This church is called the Church of England. The bishops of the Church of England have a lot of influence over the laws of the UK. The Queen of England, as well as being the country’s most senior monarch, is also officially the ‘supreme governor’ of the established church and ‘Defender of the Faith’.

Some people say that many of the laws of the UK have their roots in Christianity. For example, there are laws that reflect the Ten Commandments, which forbid stealing and murder. Many Christians would argue that the laws by which people live in the UK reflect a tradition of Christian justice, fairness and loving one’s neighbour.

Christian festivals in the UK
School holidays and public holidays in the UK are often based around Christian festivals. For instance, schools have a Christmas holiday, and Christmas Day and Boxing Day are public holidays for all UK workers. Similarly, following public holidays on Good Friday and Easter Monday (immediately after Easter Sunday), most schools have a break for two weeks, which some schools refer to as the Easter holiday.

These public holidays were originally intended for religious observance, although nowadays many people think of them as simply breaks from school or work.

 

[Resident]

And a second day of protests outside the school

A protester has warned they will stand outside of a Batley school every day until a teacher is sacked.

I reckon DWP should pop down then. If they have the free time to stand in the cold then they have time to be job-seeking.....

 

[Nasher]

Apart from.

Those are just common sense. The UK is secular. But then Christianity was in Europe before Islam was even invented so OFC it has influenced laws and culture.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Those are just common sense. The UK is secular.

England has an established church - one that is recognised by law as the official church of the nation. This church is called the Church of England. The bishops of the Church of England have a lot of influence over the laws of the UK. The Queen of England, as well as being the country’s most senior monarch, is also officially the ‘supreme governor’ of the established church and ‘Defender of the Faith’.

Im not defending the Batley thing just pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters.

But then Christianity was in Europe before Islam was even invented so OFC it has influenced laws and culture.

Have you even looked into the crazyness that was religion flowing through europe?

Dont act like it was some sort of kindly movement. It was brought with blood and death.

 

[bol]

I reckon DWP should pop down then. If they have the free time to stand in the cold then they have time to be job-seeking.....

Don't be silly, the jihad seekers allowance is their "jizyah" as you well know.
It's their reward for living amongst the infidels.

 

[Uther]

With the police's new found love of breaking up illegal gatherings with some enthusiasm I'll expect them to come down hard on any that occur on Monday morning, with first asking nicely, then fining those still there, then going in with the batons, dogs and horses.

 

[Tony Edwards]

With the police's new found love of breaking up illegal gatherings with some enthusiasm I'll expect them to come down hard on any that occur on Monday morning, with first asking nicely, then fining those still there, then going in with the batons, dogs and horses.

No its only female related issues and rioting that are a problem.

A protest at Dulwich College over the “rape culture” row has been cancelled after students were threatened with disciplinary action by the school and a fine from police.

An organiser of Friday’s protest said he was bitterly disappointed it had been scrapped. He said he “woke up every day feeling **** about going to Dulwich College because it’s not a place that attracts or makes good people”.

A former student of James Allen’s Girls’ school, who also asked to remain anonymous, criticised the pressure students had been put under not to attend the planned protest.

“Dulwich College has for years totally ignored, dismissed and condoned by turning a blind eye, this predatory behaviour by students,” she said. “A protest was students’ only way to pressure the headmaster to actually tackle the sexual violence at his school.”

 

[Uther]

No its only female related issues and rioting that are a problem.

Maybe if the men sent their women to protest outside the school the police would be more willing to give them a good kicking?

 

[Dolph]

With the police's new found love of breaking up illegal gatherings with some enthusiasm I'll expect them to come down hard on any that occur on Monday morning, with first asking nicely, then fining those still there, then going in with the batons, dogs and horses.

This is exactly what they should be doing.

 

[FoxEye]

This is exactly what they should be doing.

More likely they'll have a word with the school and encourage them to fire the teacher, thus avoiding the problem (that they can't seem to apply the law to certain groups for fear of backlash...)

 

[Dolph]

More likely they'll have a word with the school and encourage them to fire the teacher, thus avoiding the problem (that they can't seem to apply the law to certain groups for fear of backlash...)

The two things shouldn't be linked in that way, it's not a dichotomy. The police should deal with the protestors to prevent them disrupting the school, the school governing board (if the teacher was responsible for the decision to use the content) or the lea/academy trust (if the school was responsible for the decision to use the content) should address the problem there.

Fwiw, I would support action against the teacher/school regardless of whether it had resulted in a riot, not because of it.

 

[deuse]

Thats not me thats you lot. You are the ones throwing around woke like its some sort of insult to left wingers.

Well stop saying it then.
I think hijacking of words are stupid.

 

[UTT]

The two things shouldn't be linked in that way, it's not a dichotomy. The police should deal with the protestors to prevent them disrupting the school, the school governing board (if the teacher was responsible for the decision to use the content) or the lea/academy trust (if the school was responsible for the decision to use the content) should address the problem there.

Fwiw, I would support action against the teacher/school regardless of whether it had resulted in a riot, not because of it.

I believe the content had been used on multiple other occasions and sanctioned by the school. For some reason this time it's caused this kick off among the local community leader and his brother the Kirklees senior councilor

 

[Dolph]

I believe the content had been used on multiple other occasions and sanctioned by the school. For some reason this time it's caused this kick off among the local community leader and his brother the Kirklees senior councilor

I'd heard the same (but only from the daily mail, not seen it verified in other more trustworthy sources), and that's why I moderated my position somewhat on the teacher. If he was delivering established content, the error of judgment isn't his.