going from non-widescreen to widescreen

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I'm considering going widescreen, I am used to a 19" viewable tft (non-wide) and I don't want a screen where the viewable height is less than what I'm used to.

My question is.... what size monitor will I have to buy to ensure that the viewable height of the actual screen is greater than or equal to that of a 19" non-wide monitor? It will obviously have to be bigger than 19" as it's done diagonally, but what size?

and how much do they cost?

Any recommendations would be brilliant. :)

The ******* that are not replacing my faulty monitor are only giving me a £226 refund so I'm losing out on about 60 quid there, but thats what I've got to put towards this new screen.

My girlfriend will put in another £50 cause we will both be using it and I will put up another £100 at the most, giving £376.

So the budget is between £226 and £376.

I use it for games and dvds.

Cheers all,

G

p.s. I would consider a non-wide if it was bigger than 19"

<3
 
22" widescreen (16:10) is slightly less physical height than a 19" 5:4 but it is more pixels. 24" widescreen is taller than 19" 5:4.

19" 5:4 height 11.87 inch.
22" 16:10 height 11.66 inch.
24" 16:10 height 12.72 inch.
 
Socaddict said:
i can't recommend the belinea 22" enough.

but it does all sorta depend on what you want it for.
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Playing CZ and watching movies :)

That one seems a very good price!

I'm guessing 24" is way out of my budget?

/edit I need dvi...does that belinea not have it for some reason?
 
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I just got my belinea today and I have to say as well that it's extremely good, especially for the price.

I haven't seen any ghosting in games or movies inc HD demos.

It's big enough for what you want, I can't see paying the extra £300 or w/e to goto a 24" being worth it unless you desperately want to watch 1080p stuff or make yourself feel better :p
 
Guru said:
Playing CZ and watching movies :)

That one seems a very good price!

I'm guessing 24" is way out of my budget?

/edit I need dvi...does that belinea not have it for some reason?
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Belinea doesn't have DVI no, just the single VGA input, but there are some 22" screens around that money that do like the V7. 24" start around £465 delivered.
 
yeah looks like 22" is the way forward.

with these 2 below... I dont understand why the 2nd is more expensive even though its only 20.1"?

Dell E228WFP 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black Dell E228WFP 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black

1680x1050 Resolution, 800:1 Contrast Ratio, 5ms Response Time, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, 1x Analogue Input, 1x Digital Input, 4yr On-Site Warranty.
DELL Pre-order £229.99
(£270.24)
Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP 20.1" Performance LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP 20.1" Performance LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey

1600x1200 Resolution, 800:1 Contrast Ratio, 16ms Response Time, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, 1x Analogue Input, 1x Digital Input, 4yr On-Site Warranty.
Average rating of 5.0 DELL 1 in stock £249.99
(£293.74)
 
Nevermind I misread. The 2007FP has a higher quality panel though with better viewing angles. Plus widescreen is where the price competition is now.
 
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I can think of situations where you would need DVI, like if you needed HDCP, or if you needed a screen with more than 1 input, but it's true that there's very little quality difference between VGA and DVI. I literally haven't been able to tell the difference on my last 3 screens.
 
I can tell the difference even without my glasses on my old monitor had both dvi AND analogue and non-dvi looks gash to me now.

I like the look/price of that V7 at the moment. Anyone any experience of it?

Cheers,

G
 
Quality of VGA varies from screen to screen. VGA can look superb (remember it was perfectly good enough for very high resolutions on top quality CRTs for years), and dodgy ones are the exception rather than the rule. On the last three screens I've had, I've set them up in clone mode and switched back and forth between VGA and DVI, and couldn't see anything but the smallest difference.

Use the forum search, should be a thread or two about the V7 already.
 
Got my Belinea 22inch today, very impressed with it. Friend had a Dell 24inch which I personally found to big and the resolution to great for comfortable use. At £211 it's a great buy and I like this size better. :)
 
if that belinea had dvi I think I would place an order right now :)

But I'm a fussy git and apart from anything else I already spent £30 on this dvi cable not to mention my dual dvi gfx card that I cba to find the adapters for lol

I think I will go for a 22" with DVI, again suggestions are most welcome :)

Also, does anyone know if Condition Zero and Counter Strike and bf2 even support widescreen? and if they do does that mean I'd be able to see more than the other players without moving my characters head? lol

Cheers,

G
 
fish99 said:
22" widescreen (16:10) is slightly less physical height than a 19" 5:4 but it is more pixels. 24" widescreen is taller than 19" 5:4.

19" 5:4 height 11.87 inch.
22" 16:10 height 11.66 inch.
24" 16:10 height 12.72 inch.
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This might be a dumb question and if I hadn't been drinking I could probably be bothered to work it out....but do you know the widths too mate?
 
19" 5:4 width 14.84 inch.
22" 16:10 width 18.66 inch.
24" 16:10 width 20.35 inch.

TBH I think 22", 18.66 * 11.66 inch is a nice upgrade from 14.84 * 11.87 inch. It's something like 23.5% more screen area, and it seems more than that because 16:10 matches our wide vision better. Heck even my 20" widescreen looks huge to me :)
 
Guru said:
Also, does anyone know if Condition Zero and Counter Strike and bf2 even support widescreen?
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counter-strike source does widescreen. check out widescreengamingforums.com there is lots of information regarding widescreen games and, if necessary, guides on getting certain games working. not that counter-strike source needs it.
 
looks like my games DO support wide screen :D

which 22" widenutter monitor should I get.......

preferences:

DVI
1000:1
<8ms
decent viewing angles

Cheers,

G
 
All the 22" screens are TN+Film panels so you won't get great viewing angles. You need PVA/MVA/IPS to get the best viewing angles and they're only made in 20" and 24" and they cost more.

Your options would be to find another £100 for the 24" Dell, get a 20" instead with a quality MVA/PVA/IPS panel, or put up with the viewing angles on the 22" ers. 20" widescreen wouldn't seem much of an upgrade from a 19" 5:4 I think and you'd lose height (20" widescreen is only 10.6 inches high). The Dell 24" is an awesome screen but do you really want to pay over £450 for it.

Probably 22" is still your best option. Dunno which one though. You can get the V7 for £220 with DVI if you really wanna save some money. If you want something better, the Asus looks good when they get the overdrive ghosting issue fixed. Use the forum search to look for threads about them all, there's loads of info out there already.
 
fish99 said:
All the 22" screens are TN+Film panels so you won't get great viewing angles. You need PVA/MVA/IPS to get the best viewing angles and they're only made in 20" and 24" and they cost more.

Your options would be to find another £100 for the 24" Dell, get a 20" instead with a quality MVA/PVA/IPS panel, or put up with the viewing angles on the 22" ers. 20" widescreen wouldn't seem much of an upgrade from a 19" 5:4 I think and you'd lose height (20" widescreen is only 10.6 inches high). The Dell 24" is an awesome screen but do you really want to pay over £450 for it.

Probably 22" is still your best option. Dunno which one though. You can get the V7 for £220 with DVI if you really wanna save some money. If you want something better, the Asus looks good when they get the overdrive ghosting issue fixed. Use the forum search to look for threads about them all, there's loads of info out there already.
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Thanks for your help again, you certainly seem to know your stuff :)

This is the one I'm thinking about at the moment:

Purely because the people who I got my monitor off have them and it will save a refund I can just do a swap and still get my £2 a month accidental damage insureance cover :)

Iiyama Pro Lite E2200WS

Iiyama Pro Lite E2200WS - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 / 65 Hz - 300 cd/m2 - 1000:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - black

Seems like a good spec I think?

My old monitor was a 19" Philips 190X6FB I dont know if it was a TN panel or not but the specs were:

Extended specifications
General
Weight: 7.2 kg
Depth: 18.1 cm
Width: 44.4 cm
Height: 43.6 cm
Compatibility: PC
Display Type: Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Power
Voltage Required: AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Form Factor: Internal
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep: 1 Watt
Power Consumption Operational: 41 Watt
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces:

* 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
* 1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
* 1 x audio line-in - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
* 1 x USB

Image
Image Max H-View Angle: 160
Image Max V-View Angle: 160
Image Contrast Ratio: 700:1
Image Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Video Input
Analogue video Signal: RGB
Digital Video Standard: Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Miscellaneous
Compliant Standards: FCC Class B certified, CE, MPR II, CSA, UL, TUV, EPA Energy Star, ISO 13406-2, NUTEK, SEMKO
MTBF: 50,000 hour(s)
Cables Included:

* 1 x VGA cable
* 1 x audio cable
* 1 x USB cable

Environmental Parameters
Min Operating Temperature: 5 °C
Max Operating Temperature: 35 °C
Humidity Range Operating: 20 - 80%
Display
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch: 0.294 mm
Controls / Adjustments: Volume, brightness
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 76 Hz x 83 kHz
OSD Languages: Chinese (simplified), English, German, French, Italian, Spanish
Video Bandwidth: 140 MHz
Display Screen Coating: Anti-reflective
Response Time: 8 ms
Viewable Size: 19"
Interface: DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Diagonal Size: 19"
Max Resolution: 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Features: LightFrame
Audio Output
Type: Speaker(s) - stereo - integrated
Output Power / Channel: 3 Watt
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I absolutely adored this monitor but sadly despite trying for 4 months whilst I've been on my shabby old out of focus crt the shop cannot get hold of a replacement for me.

The specs for the Ilyama are this:

Extended specifications
General
Weight: 5.8 kg
Depth: 17.3 cm
TFT Technology: TN
Width: 51.7 cm
Height: 44.4 cm
Compatibility: PC, Mac
Display Type: Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Enclosure Colour: Black
Built-in Devices: Stereo speakers
Image
Image Max H-View Angle: +85 / -85
Image Max V-View Angle: +85 / -75
Image Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Image Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Video Input
Analogue video Signal: RGB
Digital Video Standard: Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Display
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
Controls / Adjustments: Volume, brightness, contrast, H/V position, input select, phase, clock
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 75 Hz x 83 kHz
OSD Languages: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese
Video Bandwidth: 162 MHz
Response Time: 5 ms
Interface: DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Diagonal Size: 22" - widescreen
Max Resolution: 1680 x 1050 / 65 Hz
Colour support: 24-bit (16.7 million colours)
Audio Output
Type: Speaker(s) - stereo - integrated
Output Power / Channel: 1 Watt
Software / System Requirements
OS Required: Apple MacOS, Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP
Power
Voltage Required: AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Form Factor: Internal
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep: 2 Watt
Power Consumption Operational: 60 Watt
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces:

* 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
* 1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
* 1 x audio line-in - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm

Miscellaneous
Compliant Standards: TCO '03, FCC Class B certified, CE, UL, TUV GS, VCCI Class B ITE, GOST, cUL, DDC-2B, ISO 13406-2, MPR III
Cables Included:

* 1 x VGA cable
* 1 x audio cable

Flat Panel Mount Interface: 100 x 100 mm
Features: Security lock slot (cable lock sold separately), wall mountable, tilt adjustment
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I loved the Philips and the backlight bleed and viewing angles were both manageable.

Would you say I'd be ok with the Ilyama?

Cheers,

G
 
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