Of course theres a risk to employment. When you go out on strike you break your contract with the company and its normally standard practice that the company then gives those people the sack. Its then part of the negotiations that those people are reinstated. Also of the prioceedure for strike action isnt followed to the letter i.e. 30 days notice before strike action and such then the union can be taken to court by the company and prosecuted.
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Of course theres a risk to employment. When you go out on strike you break your contract with the company and its normally standard practice that the company then gives those people the sack. Its then part of the negotiations that those people are reinstated. Also of the prioceedure for strike action isnt followed to the letter i.e. 30 days notice before strike action and such then the union can be taken to court by the company and prosecuted.
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There's not too long left for the RM as it is now anyway. I've just started working for the company that has implemented the Downstream access system to allow real competition. I've also heard TNT and another courier are beginning to lay down comprehensive networks that will allow RM style door to door delivery.
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YOU ARE NIAVE
Why?
your new one is good, but it doesn't have a squirrel in it, and isn't the least bit scary
I was thinking senior management, not floor level management. Even in most huge companies, there are only about 5-15 people at this sort of level, and they aren't replaced so easily. To me, most low level management isn't really any different to straight workers in terms of influence and value.
However, I do think it's good that Royal Mail are applying the freeze across the board, although the company I work for in the past did even better, the management forfieted their bonuses and rises so the staff could have them guaranteed.
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How sad is it that it takes 13 posts to read something from someone who has the balls to fight back
What a convincing and well thought out rebuttal...
I mean, I know you think intimidation of strike breakers and bullying of staff by union members is acceptable, and therefore will obviously support the staff striking no matter how ludicrous their request, but surely you could do better than that...
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your new one is good, but it doesn't have a squirrel in it, and isn't the least bit scary
Yeah, doesn't quite work does it
But I wanted to promote my Flickr
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I knew you'd be here in this thread from the off.
Tell me, how do you know which keys to hit on the keyboard to type these posts when your head is so far up managements ass?
You can't sack someone in the UK for taking part in a correctly organised strike. You can sack them for wildcat or unapproved action.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/TradeUnions/Industrialaction/DG_179248
There are plenty of examples where strikes have been called because people have been sacked, and one of the conditions has been the reinstatement of the employees, but that's different.
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Jesus Christ, you seriously don't know Royal Mail management do you? There are so many tiers of people doing "nothing".
We had a bunch of them at our place the other week and just to look at them I stood in bemusement asking myself what they actually had to do all day?
These people aren't super talented super humans you know? RM management is a downward flow of yes men and bullies. If anyone dares to say "no", or "can't" then theres always someone else.
From the shop floor upwards they are a drain of resources that, if they were cut by 2/3's the buisness wouldn't suffer in the slightest.
And that is a serious answer to your serious question.
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Is that any differant to the likes of you who seem to thinking striking is the answer to every possibly problem in the work place? The kind of people who never think of the effect they have on industry or other peoples lives because of these strikes and blatantly insult people taking pay cuts and being layed off?
Isn't this a fun way of arguing? making completely uninformed snipes at each other? So much EASIER than actualy thinking about it.
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An illegal strike is dangerous ground for anyone taking part, if it's done through the correct channels then more power to their arm. Think hard before going down the unofficial IA route, it'll end in tears.
Another high quality and convincing rebuttal (but the answer is the J and F keys have ridges so you can identify them
)Perhaps you could tell me how you have managed to get such a terrible relationship with employers generally? Which part of your performance or attitude do you fail to take responsibility for in the work place?
I've never felt the need to strike, I work hard and have that hard work recognised in the workplace with appropriate rewards/responsibilities.
Fine, sack them then, if they serve no productive purpose, get rid of them.
Like I said, if they aren't providing a business benefit, get rid of them. I'm not someone who argues just for unproductive or unnecessary workers to get sacked, the exact same applies to management as well.
And my serious answer is to get rid of them then. Downsize the lot of them if they aren't doing anything useful or constructive to help the business. It might even make things better for the frontline staff in the process.
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DA has been in place for the best part of the last decade, I believe that it has ruined Royal Mail.
Before the monopoly was lifted RM used to make vast profits, I think at one time they were handing £1M a day back to the treasury. The profits also went across the group and subsidised loss making sub post offices, which now have closed as quickly as pubs leaving the general public up in arms.
There was a time when it was a great industry and this government is to blame for ruining it, so your first sentence may well be right.
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Thats not a rebuttal Dolph, everything in that original post is niave.
Theres only one set of bullies in RM and they come in in shirts and ties in the morning.
In teh grand scheme of things it depends entirely on the scenario. Tarring all strikers with the same brush is silly. A lot of corporations are using the current economic climate to their advantage and instead of taking the inches to remain viable, some are taking miles and eroding employees terms and conditions moreso than required under the guise of "OMG recession".
Some strikes are justified regardless of whatever else may be happening elsewhere. If you are a valuable asset to your company and are not easily replaceable, should your company take advantage of you unfairly then fair play to you for going on strike.
Some strikes are justified regardless of whatever else may be happening elsewhere. If you are a valuable asset to your company and are not easily replaceable, should your company take advantage of you unfairly then fair play to you for going on strike.
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I don't think that at all Fenris.
When you work with a company that is always going back on agreements you'd soon learn to loathe them and disrupt them when and where possible.
That is the problem with monopolies, you have no choice but to use them and so they can fleece you while still providing poor service.