Going on Strike

Jeff Lynne said:
40hr week, well, 48hrs but I won't go into that ;)

We seem to cope, although you have to rememeber that every delivery in every office in every part of the country is different and can't be compared. Some people can absorb the extra work without *too* much difficulty but others will find it impossible.
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But do the extra half hour here and there actually add up to still meet the hours they're being paid for?

If they do - that's not an unreasonable request. If they don't, your posties shouldn't be working the half hour for free without overtime for it. If they work it anyway - they're agreeing to it and have no right to complain afterwards.

Just sounds to me like they're allowing the problem to happen.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
I'm unhappy that people think posting on internet forums that "If they don't like it they can get another job" is viewable as an opinion that isn't laughed out of town.
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and that's a description of the reason you're striking??? :confused:
Maybe I worded my post badly, I meant what exactly are you striking about if it's not wages?
 
Captain_Slick said:
But do the extra half hour here and there actually add up to still meet the hours they're being paid for?

If they do - that's not an unreasonable request. If they don't, your posties shouldn't be working the half hour for free without overtime for it. If they work it anyway - they're agreeing to it and have no right to complain afterwards.

Just sounds to me like they're allowing the problem to happen.
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In my case I can do it, I can't speak for others though.

The things is and it's a major bugbear, it was agreed that we'd do the extra for a twelve week period across the summer when mails are down, it was known as summer lapsing.

What happened then was it got to the end of the summer period and they moved the goalposts and instead of just doing mondays and tuesdays through the summer we were now doing it all year round.

What could we do? Say NO?! We did it.

So this years comes and now they want to do lapsing every day of the week.

Doesn't really tally with the original agreement does it? Do you think we have a right to feel put out?
 
way to avoid the question for the third time. Even if you are not striking you are clearly in support of the strike action so must know what exactly is being "striked" over. Jesus, I'm trying to get a handle here!!!!
 
More work, no extra money, reneging of agreements, use of executive action. That kind of thing. As I've said, my office hasn't been balloted. What more can I say?

It ain't for a pay rise, thats for sure!
 
ok, not very descriptive so I for one am no further clued up on why "you" are striking and I cba to ask again. Good luck with whatever......

"What do we want? Well we're not really sure but we're not very happy".
"When do we want it? Well it's difficult to say".
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Two quotes from here

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Paul Tolhurst said:
They (CWU) agreed with us only last week a timetable for further talks on change, yet they now announce a national strike ballot. Their behaviour beggars belief.
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Dave Ward said:
Postal workers are sick and tired of an incompetent management running their business into the ground. Workers are busier than ever and being treated badly. The current round of cuts in jobs and services is unacceptable.
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Sorry but I'd have to choose box 1 mate. The first one seems like a genuine statement of fact whereas the second appears to be a bunch of moaning shop floor folk who don't understand what management actually do and so choose to moan about it. I might be wrong and every single manager might be useless but I doubt it.

The guy sat next to me is very high up in RMG and has said that there would be no compulsory redundancies anyway and that it would be natural wastage.
 
zytok said:
Sorry but I'd have to choose box 1 mate. The first one seems like a genuine statement of fact whereas the second appears to be a bunch of moaning shop floor folk who don't understand what management actually do and so choose to moan about it. I might be wrong and every single manager might be useless but I doubt it.

The guy sat next to me is very high up in RMG and has said that there would be no compulsory redundancies anyway and that it would be natural wastage.
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I'd have to agree. The reality of the situation is that a bunch of people who aren't running the company seem to be under the impression that it's perfectly ok to strike to tell the people who are running the company how to do their jobs.

If you think you can be a better manager, go and be a manager. I don't sit here and tell postmen how to do their jobs.
 
zytok said:
Sorry but I'd have to choose box 1 mate. The first one seems like a genuine statement of fact whereas the second appears to be a bunch of moaning shop floor folk who don't understand what management actually do and so choose to moan about it. I might be wrong and every single manager might be useless but I doubt it.

The guy sat next to me is very high up in RMG and has said that there would be no compulsory redundancies anyway and that it would be natural wastage.
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correct, you're wrong.

the guy sat next to you is right.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
What could we do? Say NO?! We did it.
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But you're still working the extra without pay... :confused:

There's no reason to point the finger at management when you've agreed to work the extra for no money and then turn around and say you want to be paid for the extra yet still work the extra anyway.

Either work extra for no pay or don't work the extra until they start paying you. Continuing to work for nothing whilst asking to be paid just shows the management that you'll continue to work extra for nothing.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
correct, you're wrong.

the guy sat next to you is right.
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I fundamentally do not believe that every single RM manager is incompetent. What is it about the organisation that attracts incompetent management, where so many other industries can do much better?
 
Jeff Lynne said:
correct, you're wrong.

the guy sat next to you is right.
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but your quote from the union guy says about job cuts so if the guy next to me is right then it wouldn't be job cuts as such??? :confused:
Don't think you're gonna win too much support with your "they're all crap" mentality......
 
When the firemen went on strike a few years ago, they would sit outside with a fuel drum burning wood. The members of the public were very supportive and would toot their horns at them. I didn't ! I would stick my middle finger up to them and tell them to work.

They have such cushy hours - unlike postmen - have second jobs, sleep if no call-out.

They talk about the job being dangerous ? I bet being a postman has more dangers, plus, the construction industry has the most hazardous working conditions and "MORE" deaths than being a fireman.

Yes, I know firemen do a good job -it's what they are trained for - but for them to strike,it's disgusting.
 
hmm putting out a blazing inferno at 2am or sticking a letter through a postbox at 10am, which to choose?????
 
I did read your post and was incredulous as to how you considered posties to have awful hours and numerous dangers. OK there's the odd dog to contend with which I shouldn't imagine is very nice but I would have to reiterate that I'd much rather stick a letter through a postbox at 10am than put out a burning inferno at 2am.
 
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